Re: Evolution & Identity of the ID designer

From: George Murphy (
Date: Thu Dec 05 2002 - 09:01:40 EST

  • Next message: Jack Haas: "Scientists Successfully Predict Evolution of E. Coli Bacteria" wrote:
    > In a message dated 12/5/02 12:00:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    > writes:
    > > . Thus your last sentence - with its implied
    > > criticism of the canonical
    > > text - quite misses the point.
    > > Shalom,
    > > George
    > >
    > >
    > That last sentence was not mine - if this sentence below is the one you're
    > talking about - and I have simply quoted the text in the part of the post I
    > did write - God does predict the efficacy of cunning... that's pretty
    > straightforward and in the text. If you don't want to use the word approve
    > that's fine. Then use the word predict - because that's what God does,
    > predict that cunning will win out.
    > NOT MINE:
    > When we saw that in the 9/11 episode, we were repulsed. Should we be any
    > less repulsed when we see it incorporated in canonical text?

            Why would anyone have thought that it _was_ yours? It was
    clearly Howard's
    statement, & in our subsequent exchange he & I are apparently in agreement.
            Waiving for now questions about the ambiguity of the oracle
    in Gen.25:23 which
    Bob Schneider has noted, the difference between "predict" and
    "approve" is huge: It
    isn't simply a matter of terminology. If I "predict" that Miami will
    beat OSU in the
    Fiesta Bowl it doesn't mean that I "approve" of that outcome. God
    does not "approve" of
    everything that happens in the world, in the sense that all things
    are in accord with
    God's character, even though God is the ultimate cause of everything
    that happens.
            I think it should also be noted that the fault of being
    "cunning" - to the
    extent that it is a fault - is more ambiguous than, e.g., murder or
    adultery. We admire
    subtlety & cleverness, & the plot of a film like "The Sting" can be
    enjoyed by good
    law-abiding folks. So when Israel recognizes in the story of its
    ancestor Jacob its own
    story, it sees that ambiguity - cleverness, the ability to outwit
    enemies &c, but also
    the dishonesty to which those traits are easily applied.
            & in any case, I think that trying to connect this part of
    the Jacob cycle with
    the story about his breeding of sheep in order to say something about
    the intelligence
    of Ashkenazi Jews is quite forced.

    George L. Murphy

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