Re: Genesis in cuneiform on tablets

From: Glenn Morton (glenn.morton@btinternet.com)
Date: Sat Oct 19 2002 - 23:00:50 EDT

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    Paul Wrote:
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    A review by A.Lawler, Science 292 (29 June 2001), 2418-2420, suggests
    that the origin of writing has been pushed back to at least 3300 B.C.,
    if not much earlier. "The prehistoric communication revolution" is
    believed to have begun about 7000 B.C., but there seems to be very
    little information dating to before 3500 B.C. In Mesopotamia, clay
    tokens preceded real writing. To date, the earliest clay tablets found
    at Uruk date to perhaps 3200 B.C. and early cuneiform to 3100 B.C. A
    photograph of an example of "protocuneiform" dating to 3000 B.C. is
    shown. One researcher called the early cuneiform "too good" to have been
    developed in a haphazard way, implying sufficient sophistication to
    write texts like early Genesis....

    ****

    One needs to be aware that the earliest writing probably didn't happen in
    Mesopotamia but either in Pakistan or Egypt.

    Of Early Writing and a King of Legend
    By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
      Carved in the limestone of a desert cliff in Egypt is a 5,250-year-old
    tableau of a victorious ruler, perhaps the so-called King Scorpion whose
    exploits, previously the stuff of myth and legend, may have been critical to
    the founding of Egyptian civilization. The archaeologists who discovered the
    tableau seven years ago now say it may be the world's earliest historical
    document.
    More than that, they say, the inscribed scenes and symbols bear a strong
    resemblance to later hieroglyphs. This is a significant addition to a
    growing body of evidence that the first true writing originated in Egypt
    not in ancient Sumer, in what is now Iraq, as scholars of antiquity had
    believed.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/science/social/16SCOR.html
    accessed 4-19-02

    and

    Writing May Have Begun in
    Egypt - Archaeologists

    Reuters
    15-DEC-98

    CAIRO, Dec 15 (Reuters) - German archaeologists said on
    Tuesday they have discovered ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic
    inscriptions which raise questions about the origin of
    writing.

    "It was thought that Sumerians were earlier in writing than
    Egypt," Gunter Dreyer, director of the German Archaeological
    Institute in Egypt, told a news conference.

    "With our findings we see now it's on the same level and
    this is an open question: was it (writing) invented here or
    there?"

    An expedition from the institute discovered the inscriptions
    on about 300 pots and labels over a period of 10 years at an
    ancient royal cemetery, named "the Mother of Pots" for its
    rich pottery work, in Abydos, about 400 km (250 miles) south
    of Cairo.

    The earliest known Sumerian writings were thought to date
    back to 3000 BC but the German Institute's new findings show
    some writings dating back to 3400 BC. "But the bulk of the
    (institute's) evidence is about 3200 BC," Dreyer said.

    The German archaeologist said Egyptian inscriptions of that
    time were more advanced and readable than those in
    Mesopotamia, inhabited by the Sumerians. "Our colleagues in
    Mesopotamia don't have explanations of their (writings')
    meaning," he said.

         Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved.
    http://customnews.cnn.com/cnews/pna.show_story?p_art_id=3251635&p_section_na
    me=Sci-Tech&p_art_type=374522&p_subcat=Archeology+%26+Paleontology&p_categor
    y=Sciences

    and

    Tuesday, May 4, 1999 Published at 08:10 GMT 09:10 UK

    Sci/Tech

    'Earliest writing' found

    The fragments of pottery are about 5,500 years old

    Exclusive by BBC News Online Science Editor Dr
    David Whitehouse

    The first known examples of writing may have been unearthed
    at an archaeological dig in Pakistan.

    So-called 'plant-like' and 'trident-shaped' markings have
    been found on fragments of pottery dating back 5500 years.

      They were found at a site called Harappa in the region
    where the great Harappan or Indus civilisation flourished
    four and a half thousand years ago.

      Harappa was originally a small settlement in 3500 BC but by
    2600 BC it had developed into a major urban centre.

    The earliest known writing was etched onto jars before and
    after firing. Experts believe they may have indicated the
    contents of the jar or be signs associated with a deity.

    According to Dr Richard Meadow of Harvard University, the
    director of the Harappa Archaeological Research Project,
    these primitive inscriptions found on pottery may pre-date
    all other known writing.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_334000/334517.stm

    Paul wrote:
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    The earliest writing in Mesopotamia is usually dated from c. 3200 BC. If one
    says 3300, it really does not make any significant difference because it
    would still be quite primitive. From 3200 to c. 3000 it is pictographs.
    ***

    I am sorry, but pictographs are not primmitive in the sense that they are
    limited in the ideas they can convey. Pictographic languages like Chinese
    can convey any concept or idea the modern world has to offer. What
    pictographic languages aren't, is compact. But compact is not a measure of
    primitive.

    glenn

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