From: Walter Hicks (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue Oct 01 2002 - 15:24:03 EDT
Thanks for the explanations, George
george murphy wrote:
> The term "haggadaic midrash" was used in a passage that I quoted from
> Gundry. Perhaps I should have explained briefly what it meant then.
> I attempted
> to do so in response to Wayne's earlier post. In any case, I appreciate the
> difficulty that a non-specialist may have in encountering technical
> especially in a location where there are few resources.
> I would point out, however, that the internet makes a lot of resources
> available. A quick look at Google gave something like 12000
> "haggadah" and 67000
> "midrash" sites. Admittedly one would have to do some hunting among
> them to get
> an idea of what "haggadaic midrash" might mean but it's not
Actually it is pretty easy. As you know, I am prone to do it quite
often. There were
only 61 sites mentioned in Google for the term "haggadic midrash".
Perhaps the best
for definitions of jewish words was
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ Most of the
sites I saw used it strictly as a term describing extra-biblical
writings about the
old testament. None of the definitions seemed to fit incorporating
directly into the Bible.
OTOH several sites refer to the NT gospels as primarily just that
popular was the story of the Magi and the "star". An opposing view
was presented at
the site http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mq3.html
> I'm pretty old fashioned about such matters & woudl suggest looking at
> the corresponding articles in _The Interpreter's Dictionary of the
>Bible_ or a
> similar encyclopedia.
> >What is a poor engineer or scientist to do? If ASA is truly a "Big
> >Tent" where
> >many members of the Christian Faith may abide, then where would describe the
> >relative position of the viewpoint below with respect to the ASA center of
> >gravity (to use some "scientific" lingo ;-)?
> I think Bob Schneider's comments (snipped here) are
> left-of-center in the
> ASA but not in the church catholic. I'd put myself in pretty much the same
> position theologically. I know that a lot of people in the ASA regard me as
> quite "liberal." OTOH in wider religion-science discussions such as those at
> Templeton conferences, as well as in the religious circles I frequent
> in general,
> I'm often seen as quite conservative.
When you live in Kennedyland, anyone from the other 49 states is
Even Burgy would be toast in my town ;-).
I think that it is worthwhile to note that just because a person does
not agree with
you or Bob, he is not necessarily a dummy who did not understand what
you you have
been saying. I feel that you and Bob often act that way. Actually I
take your ideas
seriously and research the web for comparison. It is a rare subject
that I cannot
find pro and con viewpoints on the web.
Generally people have some underlying philosophy to what they are saying. In
religion they range from atheists to biblical literalists. Can you
define what your
view of the Bible is in broad terms -- rather than book by book or
verse by verse. I
do understand and agree with the fundamental nature of the Christian
belief and what
you have said about starting from the cross. I also realize that the
is in what spiritual messages it teaches -- not the history. However,
that does not
automatically make it historically inaccurate or indicate that the
knew that it did not happen as he described (I almost said "was not
true"). None of
that would explain why you would steer away from explanations by
Tyndale in favor
of "other scholars" whom you prefer. Can you help me to "wrap my arms
concept"? BTW, I resist any appeal to some scholarly authority
because there is
always a different expert who takes the other side. It's like a
murder trial where
one can always buy the opinion he wants.
Walt Hicks <email@example.com>
In any consistent theory, there must
exist true but not provable statements.
You can only find the truth with logic
If you have already found the truth
without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
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