From: Jay Willingham (email@example.com)
Date: Fri Sep 27 2002 - 11:52:42 EDT
I detect the same lack of healthy skepticism from both sides of the debate.
On one side there is a lack of skepticism about radioisotope and
stratigraphic dating techniques as well as fossil record interpretation.
On the other side there is a similar dismissive attitude about the same
hypotheses and a lack of skepticism about certain biblical interpretations.
The shrill voices on both sides remind me of the arguments which created the
divisions between the first millennium Christian kingdoms that allowed Islam
to penetrate so far into a divided Europe. Whether Christ owned the clothes
he wore indeed...
Debate and inquiry is good so long as pride does not overcome the faith that
Ultimately, how God created the heavens and the earth, man included, is no
less miraculous however it happened.
The real key is how we use what we are and have now, to reach the lost, the
other, with love, with the good news of Jesus' redemption and our freedom.
Jay Willingham, Esq.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Burgeson" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: AiG bites the dust
> >>And they call themselves a ministry! If they get much more publicity,
> word ministry may someday become as tainted as the word creationist.
> The problem is, Jim, that they ARE a ministry, and growing, and very very
> successful. Some years ago in Austin we drew about 150 to a widely
> publicized conference on intelligent design, with several very well known
> speakers from places both agreeing with it and disagreeing with it. It was
> great conference. But just down the road at the Bannockburn Baptist Church
> ICR was holding their own seminar. Over 4,000 in attendence. We were a
> on the landscape.
> I wandered around a forum last week devoted to homeschooling. Chock full
> people excitedly sharing their finds of ICR, AIG and sites like it. Nobody
> mentioning that perhaps -- just perhaps -- their stuff was snake oil. Well
> -- after I left there were a few posts to that efect. But I suspect they
> were ignored and just the rantings of an uneducated cretin.
> Latest stats show conservative churches growing, mainline (moderate) ones
> decline. ot all conservative churches are, of course, guilty of following
> ICR and AIG -- the ones I attended for 20 years certainly were not. But --
> alas -- there are too many that do. Particularly in the smaller
> And I get mail ... .
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