Re: Coal and YEC Models

From: Bill Payne (
Date: Sat Aug 10 2002 - 00:18:23 EDT

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    This is re-posted since it got "bounced" during Bio week.

    >Hi David,
    >Welcome to Alabama!
    >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:55:59 -0400 "bivalve"
    ><> writes:
    >> The accumulation of organic material in the bottom of a swamp or
    >> under a stationary floating mass (the existence of which is
    >> incompatible with the global flood models that posit violent activity
    >> such as rapid plate tectonics) can easily lead to anoxia in the pore
    >> waters, inimical to most bioturbators.
    >The "rapid plate tectonics" may have come later. I think you're
    >a straw-man argument here.
    >> Also, diagenetic compression
    >> of the sediments will make contacts sharper than they were during
    >> deposition.
    >"Sharper" is misleading. A better term in this context would be "less
    >gradational." But you cannot take a gradational contact of less than 5%
    >ash in the coal to greater than 25% ash in the substrate over a distance
    >of 1 to 2 meters (see pp 30-31, 34-36 in GSA SP 286) and compress it
    >a razor-sharp contact with coal above the contact and shale or clay
    >Since you're in Tuscaloosa now, you have many coal seams within an hour
    >or two of your location. Contact me offline and I'll give you the names
    >of a couple of geologists with the State Geological Survey who could
    >you locations of outcrops, and maybe you could go with them on a field
    >trip. There is a coal seam within a mile of my office in Riverchase
    >(B'ham) that we could look at together if you want let me know when
    you're going to be >up here.
    >> Distinctive freshwater bivalves are associated with some Paleozoic
    >> and later coal deposits, which is problematic for a floating mat in a
    >> global flood.
    >I can see why you say this would be problematic for a floating mat not
    >a flood, but not why it would be during a global flood. The bivalves
    >have been washed in, along with some sediment. Or, they may have been
    >living in the coal swamp before the Flood and gotten caught /remained
    >with the organic mat while it was floating and as it settled out of
    >Coal seams sometimes contain erratic boulders of rock which apparently
    >were caught in the roots of trees and floated with the organic mat until
    >it settled out of the water. If it could transport boulders, it could
    transport freshwater bivalves. At any rate, try explaining erratic
    boulders with the swamp model.

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