RE: Is there a gay gene?

From: Shuan Rose (
Date: Wed May 15 2002 - 18:17:05 EDT

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            Don't think that it really applies to this question. OTOH, it
    is a strong
    statement against divorce.

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    From: []On
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    Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:41 PM
    Subject: RE: Is there a gay gene?

    I have not followed this discussion but know that much has been
    posted on it. Besides the issue of divorce, doesn't the following
    words of our Lord say something about people and homosexuality? (I
    took the verses from the internet and so the capital letters are not
    mine.) Moorad

    "And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created
    them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR
    HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer
    two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no
    man separate." " Matt. 19:4-6.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Freeman, Louise Margaret []
    Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:29 PM
    To: Asa@Calvin. Edu
    Subject: RE: Is there a gay gene?

    >Don P: Let's see. #1 is obviously wrong, she made the choice. #2 is wrong
    >because she did not follow the bible in chosen her mate with God's guidance
    >and failed to leave the situation in time to prevent damage to her and her

    If entering and failing to leave an abusive marriage was a wrongdoing, it
    the mother's, not the hypothetical lesbian's. Also, there is no scriptural
    justification for a woman to divorce an abusive husband, unless he commits
    adultry as well.

    #3 is also wrong because they did not seek medical treatment, i.e.
    >estrogen injections to balance out the testosterone.

    The science doesn't bear you out on this one. These studies have been done
    adults whose condition was identified and treated from a young age, usually
    from birth. Most have had surgery to correct the genitalial, and been
    with appropriate female levels of hormones throughout their life.

    Estrogen, contrary to popular belief, does not "balance out" testosterone.
    fact, testosterone is a precursor to some forms of estrogenic hormones. In
    certain cases, females (XX genotype) with severe forms of this disease are
    mistaken for boys at birth, reared with that assumption and their true
    is not discovered until late childhood. Under those conditions, most choose
    to continue living as males (seeking appropriate medical care, surgery,
    testosterone treatment as necessary)... I have personally met one who
    a woman. This this person a lesbian?

    Even when raised unequivically as girls, with the best medical care
    a small minority of these individuals choose to undergo sex changes as
        Is this sinful?

        Anymore examples? Even
    >a person born with no sight can get treatments to at lest help them deal
    >with life.
    By this reasoning, all deaf people who could be given a rudimentry sense of
    hearing should get cochlear implants. Are those who prefer the culture of
    sign language living in sin?

    > AT: In cases 2 & 3, there is no will involved in the person's
    >*desire* for intimate relationship with same-sex partners. However,
    >humans are not like animals that are ruled by their appetites. Reason
    >and will may not have much influence over desires, but they do have
    >influence over *behavior*. Regardless of my personal desires, I am in
    >control of my actions - I choose to do this or that, to act or to
    >refrain from acting on my desires. The bible does not condemn
    >homosexual orientation, but it does condemn homosexual behavior.

    So sexually desiring a member of your same sex is OK if you don't act on it?
    Isn't that called "lusting in your heart?"
    The bible's fairly clear that it isn't OK for heterosexuals.

    Sorry, but I don't think the answer's as clear as you make it out to be.

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