RE: Is there a gay gene?

From: JW Burgeson (
Date: Mon May 13 2002 - 21:11:31 EDT

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    >>JB: "I did argue that since it is NOT a "chosen" orientation, and
    that seems to be fairly well established now with he probably exception of
    the Exodus people, that arguments for "rehab" and "you can refrain from the
    behavior" are only valid if one can show that the activity , itself, is
    sinful in God's eyes. And to do this one needs to argue from the

    Don P: "Again you contradict yourself. You say it is not necessarily
    environmental or genetic, but you say it is not chosen. Then what is it?"

    JB: ??? It may have been that I wrote something (not the above) in haste and
    thereby wrote incorrectly.

    My argument is that since it is not (except in a few cases) "chosen," it is
    necessarily determined by either genetics or environment or some combination
    of the two, at least in most cases. Knowing a fair number (probably a dozen
    or so) gays and lesbians, the genetic factor seems most likely. But that not
    being a scientific sample, I defer to the studies. See my website.

    "In fact, it is a well established psychological fact that problems caused
    by genetics can be reduced by both pharmaceutical and psychological

    If you mean one can be brainwashed by torture or other aversion "therapy,"
    of course, I'll have to agree. But perhaps you are speaking of something
    different here?

    "It is usually the "chosen" ones that are not. The reason of course is
    obvious to anyone open minded. If you choose not to accept the treatment
    then it won't work."

    Makes sense, but what evidence do you claim as grounds?

    "I am not judging those that are "afflicted" but unless you tell them they
    are wrong then so are you."

    OK. You claim I am wrong. Give me grounds for this claim. Just making it
    does not persuade me (obviously). Start by citing one or more obvious
    mistakes in the sources on my website that argue as I do. Specifically, look
    at the arguments given in my friend George Hopper's website. His are easy to

    " To help someone commit a sin is a sin. And the same holds true when you
    look the other way while sin is committed."

    Yes, I agree. But I do not think all HB is a sin. Tell me why I am wrong.

    Don P:With faith in His word

    JB: As Don P interprets it, of course.

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