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From: Michael Roberts (
Date: Thu May 09 2002 - 08:19:33 EDT

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    This is the doctrine of the apokatastasis!!!!! Good point Steve

    Dispensationalism has a lot to answer for.

    > The Fall fouled the creation (earth &
    > >universe) up so utterly that God is going to destroy it all, and start
    > >over.
    > The problem with this view is that it is unscriptural! A closer
    > of the scriptures reveal that Jesus won't return to destro the world but
    > rather renew or transform it. There will be a _renewed_ heavens and
    > Jesus talks of the _renewal_ (literally rebirth) of all thingsm; and Paul
    > writes of the creation being liberated - there seems to be no room for
    > destruction of the earth here. If it were the meek would be very
    > disappointed (Mt 5:5)!

    > Mt 24:35 seems at first to suggest destruction, but the Greek word
    > translated in the NIV as 'pass away' alos occurs in 2 Cor 5:17, where Paul
    > describes the person in Christ as a new creation, saying the 'old has
    > (literally passed away). This implies not total destruction but
    > transformation.
    > Heb 1:12 is another, but as in the Matthew passage the emphasis is on a
    > contrast, here it is between the creation and the creator. The one thing
    > the writer seems to want to emp[hasise is the unchangeableness of God
    > compared with his creation - to use it as a proof text fro a theory of
    > destruction is inappropriate. The word translated as 'changed'
    > (allagesontai) is the same word used in 1 Cor 15:51 and 52. here the
    > context is the resurrection of believers: 'we will al be changed'. Yet
    > again the meaning can be understood as transformation.
    > 2 Pet 3:10 is an important vesre used to justify destruction. However, the
    > majority of contemporary commentators (see e.g. Baukham, WBC, 1985)
    > translate the key part as: 'theerath and all its works will be found. The
    > sens seems to be that the purging fires will enable the earth and all its
    > work to be 'found', that is revealed or discovered for wnat they are. (On
    > this verse and the worldview implications of how we translate it see: Al
    > Wolters 'Worldview and textual criticism in 2Peter 3:10' WTJ 49 (1987)
    > 504-13)
    > The idea that the world will be transformed is also seen in Is 2:4;
    > and Is 35:6 and also in Enoch 45:5.
    > Hence, anytime put into caring and stewarding the creation will not be
    > wasted. The meek can then indeed inherit and rule upon it (Rev 5:10).
    > >While there is temporal interest in doing the least damage to the
    > >bio-sphere, God is more intersted in eternal things - like human souls.
    > >a
    > >sinking ship it is wiser to help passengers into life boats, than to
    > >brass.
    > This is typical dualistic thinking: more platonic than biblical.
    > Steve
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