Re: FW: Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith - Journal of

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Wed May 08 2002 - 22:44:12 EDT

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    Hi Shuan,

    I live in Kennedy Land - the left-wing, liberal capital of the free
    world. In a randomly selected Christian church around here, one would
    likely hear sermons similar to that in the referenced PSCF article. The
    name Jesus in any given month would be mentioned as often as it is in
    this article (not at all). Those churches preach a lot of good things
    and the parishioners do a lot of good things. However, any connection to
    Christianity and the gospel message is truthfully absent.

    At the other extreme, one can search and find some truly evangelical
    churches. I mean ones where every single Sunday service is a "come to
    Jesus" meeting. Certainly a good thing, but of little value after 4 or 5
    times. Finding a balanced church where the Gospel is the first message
    and "good works" is not left out is a difficult chore.

    Reaching your YEC friend would have to be wrapped around WWJD. I think
    that it is good to try understand where his statements come from. I see
    an article by Morris at (It
    never mentions Jesus either.) I copy a small segment of that article

    "The essence of evolution, of course, is randomness. The evolutionary
    process supposedly began with random particles and has continued by
    random aggregations of matter and then random mutations of
    genes. The fossil record, as interpreted by evolutionists, is said by
    them to indicate aeons of purposeless evolutionary meanderings, the
    senseless struggling and dying of untold billions of animals,
    extinctions of
    species, misfits, blind alleys. The present-day environmental-ecologic
    complex then is nothing more than the current stage in this unending
    random struggle for existence."

    This, I believe is the type wrong-think that ASA should attempt to
    correct. It is a perfect example of Christians swallowing the philosophy
    of atheists like Dawkins. I still feel that it is not about to change
    until we deal this as the fundamental problem. Meanwhile, England is now
    going to the YECs and I have long expected this to be inevitable. It is
    much better than following England's Dawkins and going to the dogs


    Shuan Rose wrote:
    > the American Scientifi
    > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:38:15 -0400
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    > This exchange concerns a response by one of my YEC friends
    > to reading an
    > ASA journal article advocating that Christians take a bigger role in caring
    > for the environment. His attitude is classic YEC. I jotted a quick response,
    > but thought that I would ask the list to comment on the issues raised.
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Shuan Rose []
    > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:28 AM
    > To: John Woodworth; Tim Griffin; Ron Scheller; Rick Grill; Pin H. Chen;
    > Dan Pugh
    > Subject: RE: Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith - Journal of
    > the American Scientifi
    > Hi, John.
    > What I think the writer did was to take seriously Gen.
    > 1:26-28 and Gen .
    > 2:15.
    > These verses speak of Man's responsibility for creation .
    > Stewardship of
    > creation seems to ` be among the the very first tasks that God
    >gave to Man.
    > It behooves us to take it s seriously.It involves far more than polishing
    > brass. God loves His creation(Jn 3:16) and has a vision for the entire
    > cosmos (Col . 1:15-20).I would say that at least we should m
    >make sure that
    > we don't muck up His creation.In short, we have to do it all- both proclaim
    > t the gospel AND take care of His Creation. We tend to
    > remember the first,
    > and foget the second.
    > W
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: John Woodworth []
    > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:41 PM
    > To: Tim Griffin; Ron Scheller; Rick Grill; Pin H. Chen; Dan Pugh; Shuan
    > Rose
    > Subject: Re: Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith - Journal of
    > the American Scientifi
    > Shuan,,
    > I've included others in the responce so that they have the opportunity
    > to read some pseudo-christian "nice think", if they choose to.
    > This writer seems to have missed a few pertinent verses, and worse - the
    > basic reason of why Jesus came. The Fall fouled the creation (earth &
    > universe) up so utterly that God is going to destroy it all, and start over.
    > While there is temporal interest in doing the least damage to the
    > bio-sphere, God is more intersted in eternal things - like human souls. On a
    > sinking ship it is wiser to help passengers into life boats, than to polish
    > brass.
    > What have we done lately to extend His dominion, and glory among the
    > world (i.e. the humans, not the space shuttle we ride) that HE so loves?
    > The question at the judgement won't have anything to do with creation.
    > It will be, "AreYOU in My Son?"
    > - John
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Shuan Rose" <>
    > To: "Dan Pugh" <>; "John Woodworth" <>; "Pin H.
    > Chen" <>; "Rick Grill" <>;
    > "Ron Scheller" <>; "Tim Griffin" <>
    > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:51 PM
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    Walt Hicks <>

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