RE: The Problem of Liberal Theology

From: Glenn Morton (
Date: Wed May 08 2002 - 09:07:53 EDT

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    Shuan and George wrote:

    >> Shuan wrote:
    >> So where are the fingerprints demanded by Mr. Morton? :)
    > Glenn wants evidence that scripture is historically accurate.
    >I have debated
    >that extensively with him (without wanting at all to say that there
    >is no verifiable
    >history in scripture.) But he has not to my knowledge demanded
    >"fingerprints" as has
    >blatantly as Philip Johnson.

    Let me see if I can clarify these muddy waters without stirring up that
    brown muck at the water's bottom.

    We can NEVER prove the Scriptural account. That is simply impossible. But
    we can verify certain things. I would claim that the difference between me
    and Johnson is that I would like to see something historically true in the
    accounts. I wouldn't believe much of the New Testament if it claimed that
    Jesus was raised under the tyranny of the great Carthagenian empire who
    gained ascendancy in the three great Romanic wars. For the same reason I
    don't believe the book of Mormon, because it's new world history is a fraud
    and a shame. Native Americans didn't have chariots or horses. Nor did they
    have huge walled cities in northern North America. I see no reason to
    change my standard of truth when it comes to the Scripture.

    I am often accused of wanting everything proven, but that isn't the case. I
    think I would prefer to push as hard as I can towards that point, but
    knowing all the time that it will never happen.

    Johnson and the ID group wants a natural theological proof of God's
    existence. They are looking for the type of proof which Sagan gives at the
    end of his book Contact (which I liked better than what was offered in the
    movie). In the book, they found a message buried deeply in the random
    numbers of pi. Dembski's claim to have mathematized design won't be
    remembered past this generation.


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