Looks like Dave was getting blamed for some my remarks in this post.
I got an offline post that explained some of my errors to me. I
apologize and reply as follows:
Jan de Koning wrote:
> > >
> > > Some of us:
> > >
> > > 1.) Think that the Bible is truth (without redefining "truth")
> That redefining of "truth" has already been done through time. It used to
> mean "faithfulness", now the faithfulness-aspect has been watered down, and
> becomes something else, like "according to fact" in a modern sense of
> facts, which is not the biblical way of telling stories. However, I find
> it awfully difficult to talk with people who have this changed way
> ("according to fact in a modern sense") since they are usually not able, or
> don''t have the time, or are not willing to study these subjects into the
> necessary depth. So than I shut up. The subject of biblical truth needs a
> lot of studying, so if people (in my church, a calvinist church) are not
> willing to study, then I keep quiet. I will do the same on this forum. I
> have before referred to the report to the 1991 synod of the Christian
> Reformed Church, where my position is clearly stated in many
> pages (published as Acts of Synod of the 1991 Synod of the Christian
> Reformed Church.) If someone denies that Christ died for his sins, than I
> may answer once or twice or more often depending on what is said. The
> faithfulness of Jesus Christ in taking upon Himself the punishment for our
> sins is basic, denying it means that the person doing so is not a Christian.
I guess that my limited background in this area leaves me with nothing
but common practice. I understand when a term like "religious truth" or
or truth with some other adjective before it is used. Otherwise I tend
to take "true" to be synonymous with fact. I'll try to overcome that but
it really is difficult.
> > > 2.) Do not believe in myths (without redefining the term "myth")
> Agreed, but I think that Siemens and I have a different idea about what
> "myth" is. Basic for a definition of "myth" is that it is a "lie" that is
> not faithful to the God of Scriptures.
Again, that is difficult for me for the same reasons, but I'll try to
get in sync with this new way of speaking.
> > > 3.) Realize that the Biblical authors were humans who could make errors
> No, I don't think so. If that is so, than I have difficulty talking with
> them. I do think, however, that copying and translations may bring
Well there we just disagree. But we are entitled to that I think. Even
if the errors were introduced by other than the original writers, the
result is the same to the reader. (I think).
Apologies for the next 3;
> > > 4.) Reject as not inspired by the Holy Spirit any "myths" in
>the OT or NT
> ??? Meaning ???
> > > 5.) Think that our I.Q is as high, and our logic as good, as yours is.
> No. Please, don't sound that way. That sound childish. Sorry.
> > > 6.) Do not accept the "authority" (of so-called "scholars") as a
> > reason to accept the beliefs of others -- such as > you, Shuan
> >and/or George.
> Again, that is not an argument, but just the sound of somebody that is at
> the end of his reasoning. The only way to act then is to go back to
> studying to see if it is the way Shuan and George say it. In general they
> give their reasons. If they don't, ask them.
> > > 7.) Believe that God is great enough to do anything that He wants to
> > do in our space-time continuum.
> All agree, but it does not help you in this particular debate.
It does if people reject certain things as non-historical because they
think that God would not do it that way. Maybe nobody herein does, but
I seen many scholars who do.
> > > 8.) Think that salvation is an individual matter and that the Lord
> > will overcome all these problems -- despite out nutty disagrements.
> The Lord will indeed overcome all our disagreements, but salvation is not
> an "individual" matter. There is a community of those who are blessed and
> are belonging to His community.
Not sure what you are saying here. While we are community of believers,
salvation does not get accomplished on a group basis IMO.
The rest of the text was not mine.
Apologies for being offensive and let me try harder in the future.
Walt Hicks <email@example.com>
In any consistent theory, there must
exist true but not provable statements.
You can only find the truth with logic
If you have already found the truth
without it. (G.K. Chesterton)
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