Re: Please show respect (was GEN 1-11: Beyond the concordist debate)

From: Terry M. Gray (
Date: Tue May 07 2002 - 11:51:13 EDT

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    As much as I agree with your position on the age of the earth, and as
    much as I think that the history that you describe is correct, I
    think that as things stand now, my description of the ASA is the
    correct one. We recognize YEC as a viewpoint held by some Christians
    in science--many of us disagree with it and heartily debate against
    it. The precise difference between our views, in my opinion, and the
    views of these alternative organizations, is that we tolerate
    diversity on this issue. They don't--they say... we take a stand on
    this issue (YEC) and you can't be a part of our organization. Many,
    in fact, believe that organizations like the ASA that don't take a
    stand in support of YEC are apostate. That's why they have left, they
    can't accept anyone who disagrees on this issue.

    A YEC who can is welcome in the ASA--there is nothing in the
    Statement of Faith to exclude them and the recently published
    commission on creation statement has YEC as one of four viable views
    in the ASA.

    Some of us may have as our personal agendas the elimination of YEC,
    but, at this point in time, I don't think that the ASA as an
    organization has that agenda. On the other hand it is clear that
    non-YEC folks have a safe-haven and lots of comrades within the
    ASA--something that can't be said about many other organizations
    If Don, Jack, council members, or others think that I'm mistaken
    here, please speak up. I don't want to misrepresent the ASA in what I
    say here.


    >Terry wrote,
    ><< Some in the ASA, perhaps the majority,
    > want us to come out and say that yes, the earth is old, and this
    > conclusion is consistent with both the Bible and science and that the
    > young-earth creationists are wrong on this issue. Now I happen to
    > agree with this conclusion, but I'm not sure that we want to
    > "exclude" young-earthers from the ASA by taking such a strong stand.
    > Our Statement of Faith claims etc. >>
    >The die has already been cast. The YEC's left the ASA years ago to found
    >their own organizations, which represent their opinions very well. Between
    >Answers in Genesis and the Creation Research Society, they have $7,000,000/
    >year to promote their views. They are still welcome to join the ASA and
    >discuss all they want to; but, if the ASA does not take an open, indeed
    >aggressive stand against the scientific and biblical obscurantism and
    >deception that comes from the YEC side and now dominates the thinking of
    >conservative Christianity, who will? We know better; so we have the

    Terry M. Gray, Ph.D., Computer Support Scientist
    Chemistry Department, Colorado State University
    Fort Collins, Colorado  80523
    phone: 970-491-7003 fax: 970-491-1801

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