Re: GEN 1-11: Beyond the concordist debate

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Mon May 06 2002 - 22:05:10 EDT

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    Hi Dave,

    I appreciate what you have to say:


    I disagree that what you call "popular" is not " scholarly". The biggest
    problem I see (at this time) is that many Christians see mostly the
    popular publications of people like Richard Dawkins ---- and nobody on
    the so-called "scholarly" list can or does anything _popular_ to compete
    with and contradict his atheistic notions and his promotion of science
    as the replacement for Christianity.

    That is a very sad commentary and (IMO) it indicates that the so-called
    "scholarly" folks are completely "out of touch" with respect to the
    _majority_ of Christians and cannot reach a wide ranging public

    Along with other things, the ASA is discussion group wherein people like
    me get to tell people like you, Shuan, George and others what you do not
    want to hear.

    Some of us:

    1.) Think that the Bible is truth (without redefining "truth")
    2.) Do not believe in myths (without redefining the term "myth")
    3.) Realize that the Biblical authors were humans who could make errors
    4.) Reject as not inspired by the Holy Spirit any "myths" in the OT or
    5.) Think that our I.Q is as high, and our logic as good, as yours is.
    6.) Do not accept the "authority" (of so-called "scholars") as a reason
    to accept the beliefs of others -- such as you, Shuan and/or George.
    7.) Believe that God is great enough to do anything that He wants to do
    in our space-time continuum.
    8.) Think that salvation is an individual matter and that the Lord will
    overcome all these problems -- despite out nutty disagrements.

    I hope that I speak for some others on this list. (Actually know that I



    D. F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:
    > On Mon, 6 May 2002 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Graham Morbey <>
    > writes:
    > >
    > >
    > > Walter,
    > >
    > > I don't think that you can really call Francis Schaffer a generally
    > > recognized scholar, (as much as some of his engaging Christian
    > > apologetics
    > > - old Princeton, Van Til, and smattering of Dooyeweerd influenced
    > > worldview- warms the chrisian heart) especially not in Old
    > > Testament
    > > studies.
    > I have to concur with Graham from a philosophical viewpoint. He is
    > popular, not scholarly. A number of years ago I was asked to teach a
    > Sunday school course with one of Schaffer's books as the text. I turned
    > it down because his "philosophy" begins where a legitimate study should
    > end. But, because he tells evangelicals what they wanted to hear, I knew
    > that such a suggestion would produce heat rather than light in the group,
    > for he was their champion. I have noted that one becomes a best-selling
    > author by not making people really think. Telling them what they want to
    > hear is, however, very effective.
    > Dave

    Walt Hicks <>

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