Re: Truth

From: Jan de Koning (
Date: Fri May 03 2002 - 17:12:33 EDT

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    At 10:42 AM 03/05/02 -0400, Walter Hicks wrote:
    >I read 40,000 men (Joshua 4.13) but I don't see that as the basic point.
    >The smaller the area, the easier it is to walk around it. One does not
    >have to walk right at the side of it. They can march as many abreast as
    >they want to and as far away from the walls as is necessary. It does not
    >make sense to me say that smallness would be limit.

    The 40,000 men were in Joshua 4:23 were the men of the tribes left on the
    east side of the Jordan, see verse 12. Numbers 2:32 mentions the total
    number of men in Israel as 603,550. On the seventh day seven times means
    in effect that 4,221,850 men had to walk around. Realistically, how do you
    fix that in a limited space?

    My only point was and is, that we do not always know what certain words
    mean, and what certain ways of talking were at that time. Nor do we know if
    1,000 in the early books of the bible means our number 1,000. Could it be
    "clan"? Anyway, I would like to know how you would manage the marching of
    that many people around the small area which Jericho was. Also, even if
    you only take the men of the tribes east of the Jordan, how did the people
    in Jericho even dare to fight against Israel?

    I may have mentioned it in the past, but my philosophy prof. in 1942 warned
    us about the words "truth", "Objective", "subjective". These words are
    based on the philosophy the speaker (often unknowingly, and also
    unwillingly) adheres to. All of us on this forum are Christians, but many
    have never thought about the background of their thinking about other
    subjects than science. The result is long drawn out discussions which
    don't get anywhere because the writers have a different philosophical
    background. That does not show in the reporting of the measuring of facts,
    but it does show in the explanation of the facts. Some will struggle
    (often without success) to get the explanation of the facts and their (own)
    reading of the Bible in agreement. Others are studying the disagreements,
    without coming to hasty conclusions a large part of the scholarly community
    cannot accept.

    Personally, I only want to say: I am not a biblical scholar. My subject
    was math, its history and philosophy. But I do think that God spoke the
    "truth" in nature and is not trying to fool us. And God spoke the "truth"
    in Scriptures and is not trying to fool us. The difficulties of
    coordinating these truths will keep many people busy for many years, but if
    we want to participate we should not do away with one side or the other.

    Jan de Koning

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