RE: In Defense of my beliefs.doc

From: Shuan Rose (
Date: Thu May 02 2002 - 19:32:43 EDT

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           I regard the Bible as a body of revealed truth, too, Vernon. I also
    regard Nature as a body of revealed truth, discoverable by the God-given
    activity of science.Both books, rightly interpreted, reveal Gods truth.To be
    a YEC, you must believe that God is telling the literal truth in one book
    and lying the other. For example, a YEC interpretation of Genesis says that
    the earth is less than 10, 00 years old. The book of nature, read by
    science, says that's wrong.So the book of nature must be a lie. I refuse to
    believe that God is lying in either book.Rather, the YEC interpretation must
    be wrong.
       You can call that following the word of man if you want, Vernon.I will
    take comfort in the fact that at least I am not making God out to be a liar.
        More reasonable, and far safer in my view, to accept God's Word as it has
    come down to us; certainly more assuring, and far less complicated!
       I agree its less complicated.The YEC stance is simple, and assuring.Like
    most simple, assuring answers to complicated questions, however, it is
    wrong. Too bad.
       Take care.

      -----Original Message-----
    From: Vernon Jenkins []
    Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:49 PM
    To: Shuan Rose
    Cc: Asa
    Subject: Re: In Defence of my beliefs.doc

       Hi Shuan,
       I go along with your view that there are essentially 'two kinds of
    Christian'. Here are my observations on the core of the divide:

       Category A :- Those who accept the divine strictures concerning man and,
    accepting their helplessness, regard the Bible as a body of revealed truth -
    therefore taking its contents seriously, in particular, its warnings
    regarding unbelief (eg Lk.16:19-31; 2Pe.3:16,17). For them, the undermining
    of the Scriptures by the claims of the scientist is seen as but one
    inevitable consequence of man's essential nature; they respond by 'putting
    on the whole armour of God' (Eph.6:11-18) - which includes 'the sword of the
    Spirit, which is the word of God'. In this manner they exercise true reason
    and are thereby enabled to distinguish between 'fact' and 'contention'.

       Category B :- Those who blatantly disregard, (a) the foundational
    information that God has imparted concerning man, (b) the scriptural
    warnings in regard to unbelief, and (c) the possibility that events in this
    world might rest on supernatural (hence, unpredictable) considerations (eg
    1Sam.18:10,11; 1Ki.22). Joining forces with the materialists, they prefer to
    follow the word of man rather than the Word of God, and thus having in their
    own minds broken that 'which shall stand forever' (Is.40:8), pick up and
    assemble those pieces that take their fancy.

       Like your YEC friends, I am unashamedly a 'Category A' man who regards the
    'scoring of points' in this life as having little eternal merit. More
    reasonable, and far safer in my view, to accept God's Word as it has come
    down to us; certainly more assuring, and far less complicated!

       Sincerely, and with regards,


       Shuan Rose wrote:

         I sent this to a couple of YEC brothers who doubted my faith because I
         them I believed in evolution and rejected a literal interpretation of
         Genesis 1-11.Below is my response. I included some excerpts from Mike,
         and Terry to illustrate my points
         Because of my belief in evolution and my rejection of a literalistic
         interpretation of Genesis, some have questioned whether I am a
         The implication is that I am a skeptic, a heretic, or someone who is
         searching for God.
         For the record, I am a Christian who affirms the Apostles and Nicene
         and that God in Christ through the Holy Spirit has come to save Man.
         However, there are in my opinion two kinds of Christian. There is the
         who pretends that the last 200 years of scientific and historical
         investigation did not happen and that modern science poses no problems
    for a
         literalistic interpretation of the Bible. Such people are quite happy to
         accept and even use astronomy and physics, -when it shows that the
         must have had a beginning-but not where it shows that the earth is very
         and part of an older universe. They accept geology, when geologists find
         oil that they can put into their cars. But they reject it when
         use the same techniques to show that the earth is 4.6 billion years old
         that life appeared on earth in stages and not all at once 6,000 years
         They accept biology, when it creates new crops and medicines and sends
         criminals to jail through DNA evidence. But they reject biology when
         biologists use the same analysis to show that modern forms of life
         from earlier forms of life and that in particular, humans and modern
         share a common ancestor.
         I believe that such a Christian is best deluded and at worst a
         One cannot simply accept the parts of modern science that he or she
         and reject the rest, simply because it conflicts with your
    interpretation of
         the Bible. This attitude may win acceptance among like-minded
         But the outside world will think that you are living in a fool's
         and will think you no different from the person who asserts that the
         is flat and immovable on the basis of Ps 96:10 and Isa. 11:12.
         The second Christian understands that modern science has come to
         about the physical world that make a simple, literal interpretation of
         Genesis 1-11 impossible, and understands that new interpretations are
         necessary, just as in the sixteenth century when it became clear through
         science that the earth revolved around the sun and that Gen. 11:7, Josh.
         10:13, Eccl. 5:1, and other passages could not be interpreted literally,
         indeed they were before Copernicus and Galileo. The ASA list serv is one
         group where Christian scientists and nonscientists are trying to work
         such a new interpretation. Unfortunately, the first type of Christian
         continually accused quite a few of them of apostasy and worse. I would
         that you consider the evidence and join the dialogue and help us on the
         serv work on these problems before rendering judgment.
         Her are few excerpts from this dialogue that express the point more
         than I have.
         (Good Stuff snipped)
         These are not atheists or scoffers, but sincere, Bible believing
         who are truly concerned with wrestling with a difficult problem.
         If this be skepticism or heresy, let there be more of it. We honor the
         of truth by dealing with it, not covering it up or by preferring the
         that comfort us.
         Shuan Rose, Attorney at Law
         2632 N Charles Street, Baltimore MD 21218

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