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From: Lucy Masters (masters@cox-internet.com)
Date: Wed Feb 27 2002 - 15:02:57 EST

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    I cannot provide you with a B/W answer just as I do not live by B/W
    "laws." I think we should take each situation on a case by case basis
    and monitor it as we go along. What works well in one situation may not
    work well in another. You know, you could "help" one poor person who
    would respond well, engage in self-improvement, and use your Christian
    behavior in a positive way. You could provide the exact same "help" to
    another poor person who doesn't respond well, doesn't engage in
    self-improvement, and uses your Christian behavior in a negative way to
    enable himself to stay dependent upon you (i.e. "use" you). At that
    point in time, I think it wise for yourself AS WELL AS the poor person
    to stop helping. Your time can be used with someone else, and the poor
    person can learn a lesson that, in fact, may help him later in life.
     Didn't Jesus walk away from people? I think he did.


    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: RE: [Fwd:RE: Darwinism/Compassion]]]]
    Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:06:24 -0800
    From: Adrian Teo <ateo@whitworth.edu>
    To: 'Lucy Masters' <masters@cox-internet.com>, asa@calvin.edu

    Hello Lucy,


    ----Original Message-----
    From: Lucy Masters [mailto:masters@cox-internet.com]
    Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:21 AM
    To: asa@calvin.edu
    Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: RE: Darwinism/Compassion]]]]


        See my earlier post to Jan regarding the basis for moral decisions.
         Inasmuch as the NT disputes the OT, I don't think one must accept
        the Bible as the only moral authority. I think I **do** use it as a
        guidebook - but not as a book of laws. So how does that work in
        daily life?
        [AT] [example provided by Lucy deleted for the purpose of clarity.]

        So I would say that the "Christian in me" says we should help people
        to survive *for a while* and we should help them to become *fit* for
        a while. But they must also participate. The only reason I can
        think of for not "cutting off the aid" is if the person is so sick
        or disabled that they cannot care for themselves.

        [AT] In your earlier post, you wrote that the bible is not the only
        guide, but that you take the way the natural world works as a guide
        also (I hope I am reading you correctly). You seem to imply that the
        bible does not give enough to make daily moral choices, and I
        assume, correspondingly, that nature does. Then in the above, you
        seem to impose limits on our intervention, even for life and death
        issues. All in all, I think these raises even more questions, and I
        still don't see any coherence at all. Why is it that what is in
        nature assumed to be the moral norm? What exactly do you take from
        the bible, since you agree that it may be a moral authority? Why
        should there be limits on intervention in life and death issues, and
        how do we know when we've reached them? What is/are your guiding
        moral principles?

        BTW - it may or may not interest you to know that I am married to a
        person who was born totally and permanently disabled. If everything
        had been handed to him, I'm quite certain he would be a bloated slug
        today parked in front of a television set in a day room. Instead,
        his mother and I both pushed and prodded him all the way through his
        Ph.D. in clinical psychology. He has maintained his own private
        practice for over 20 years, drives a little, red Mustang GT, and is
        extremely independent. I don't think he regrets it. (Although I
        did tell him last night that some members of this list think I'm a
        demon, and he did laugh and say, "Gee! And just from reading your
        little emails? If they ever met you in person, they'd run screaming
        into the night!").

        Lucy (Lucifer?)

        [AT] I commend you for your commitment and love to your husband.
        This is something that even many of us on this list would probably
        have a hard time living up to. I appreciate you sharing this piece
        of personal information with me, and no, I don't think you are an
        agent of the devil.




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