Re: Old-Earth Creationism

From: Howard J. Van Till (
Date: Sat Feb 16 2002 - 09:56:22 EST

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    Thanks for the responses. They help me understand your working assumptions
    regarding the character of the biblical text and its relevance to
    contemporary science. (Whether I agree or not is another matter :)

    Howard Van Till

    >From: Adrian Teo <>

    > Here are my responses:
    >> > Assuming that God created all life forms in their own "kinds"....
    >> What is the warrant for that assumption?
    > Gen 20-25. All animals were created after their own kinds. Humans, on the
    > other hand, were created, in a sense, after God's own kind (in HIs image).
    >> > (however one
    >> > chooses to define what this means, but it almost certainly
    >> must be above the
    >> > level of the species), ....
    >> Why should the biblical "kinds" have anything whatsoever to
    >> do with modern
    >> classification categories?
    > They don't have to correspond, but I'm sure scientists would still want to
    > map those onto their calssfication scheme.
    >> > .... either simultaneously, or at different times, it
    >> > seems to me that this perspective is able to account for
    >> all the scientific
    >> > evidence that evolution can.
    >> Biologists/paleontologists/geologists.... on this list are capable of
    >> providing numerous counterexamples, but why would they want
    >> to take the time
    >> to do it once again?????
    > I guess they don't have to, but they sure are spending a whole lot of energy
    > (in this group anyway) providing counterexamples to YEC, and much of the
    > stuff have been brought up several times over the years. At the very least,
    > OEC doesn't have to deal with the age of earth issue.
    >> > Microevolution is accepted, and accounts for a
    >> > wide array of observations. Extinction is also allowed in
    >> this view, which
    >> > explains why we don't see many creatures that we find in
    >> the fossil record.
    >> Why allow extinction? Is that a Biblical concept?
    > Perhaps not obviously, but I don't think extinction contradicts the Bible.
    > Otherwise evolution would have the same problem for Christians as well.
    >> > What we find in common across different species (physical
    >> structures,
    >> > genetic sequences, etc.) could be accounted for by the fact that God
    >> > recycles basic building blocks in different types of creatures.
    >> Where did that "fact" come from?????
    > Fact was probably a poor choice of words. Assumption would have been more
    > apt. And I would argue that the assumption is a reasonable one and in no way
    > contradicts the Bible.

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