Re: YEC and loss of faith

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Mon Feb 11 2002 - 23:18:53 EST

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    For some reason, a reply to wayne's message does not seem to list his
    text. I hope that my copy and paste works.

    Wayne, I go to a church with about 2000 members. It is
    non-denominational but dominantly Baptist oriented. There are many of
    what you call YECs and many scientifically oriented people who disagree
    with each other. We even have calsses to discuss it and nobody gets all
    high and mighty about who is wrong and who is right.

    It takes two people to tango or to make a fight, not one.


    Wayne said.

    > Walter Hicks wrote:
    > Science does not have the authority that the Bible does, so why should a
    > YEC -- or anyone else -- take such a flawed activity as warranting
    > greater belief that the teaching of the Bible?
    > If this was just an issue of what I or you or someone
    > else _prefers_ to think on some matter, I would probably
    > more or less agree with you. After all, I'm sure I have
    > some strange ideas of my own, and I need to grant that
    > grace to others than I've also granted.
    > However, it is YEC folk who seem to insist on me accepting
    > *their* views on what is THE truth. WHO claims the monopoly
    > on the truth here? The truth was revealed to us, maybe so,
    > but we are all on the long road to salvation, and part of
    > that long road is learning to understand what that Truth
    > really is.
    > By turning to politics, rhetoric, polemics and accusations of
    > heresy, instead of DEMONSTRATING that THEIR SCIENCE gets the
    > results, YECs folk have made their science unbelievable, and
    > therefore, to those who are outside the faith (who hear that
    > calling from Christ) Christianity is unbelievable. It is extremely
    > difficult for people like myself to even broach these matters
    > with the lost, the blind, the lame, and the sheep who have gone
    > astray working in the field of science (particularly biology).
    > The real message of the Bible is soiled by the opinions of
    > people who are all (Christians included) sinners who sin more
    > by arrogantly proclaiming that they have THEEEEE truth. WHO may
    > I ask, has THEEEEE truth? Even atheist scientists who talk that
    > way are eventually shot down (irrespective of the faith of
    > any other scientists involved) because it is just plain
    > silly to think that way.
    > by Grace alone we proceed,
    > Wayne

    Walt Hicks <>
    In any consistent theory, there must
    exist true but not provable statements.
    (Godel's Theorem)

    You can only find the truth with logic If you have already found the truth without it. (G.K. Chesterton) ===================================

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