Re: Glenn makes front page of AiG today

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Sun Feb 10 2002 - 20:48:11 EST

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    george murphy wrote:
    > It's not clear to me from what you've written here just what you're arguing
    > with. What is "the current approach being taken" which "will never succeed in
    > convincing a YEC to believe in evolution and remain Christian"? And who on this
    > list has suggested "converting YECs into atheists"?
    > What I have suggested is that people be convinced to
    > a) take scientific evidence and theories seriously, and
    > b) appreciate the variety of _true_ and _authoritative_ material in
    > scripture.
    > Of course the meta-scientific claims of Dawkins _et al_ should be opposed
    > as well.
    > Shalom,
    > George

    But as Glenn mentioned (and a similar observation was made in a post by
    Christopher Sharp) when a YEC becomes convinced of the "truths of
    science", he usually becomes an atheist. If this the net result of
    hammering on the validity of science, then why is that a worthwhile goal
    for a Christian?

    I'm suggesting that one is attacking the wrong problem. For example,
    Charles Coulson in "How now shall we live" has one of his main
    characters make the the statement: "I'll find out how to argue with it
    (evolution). I'll find out why the story we heard here today is wrong or
    I'll give up my faith too."

    So my point is that we should be dealing with a far more fundamental
    spiritual issue than the validity of the "facts" of science. YECs are
    generally opposed to conventional science because they perceive it as a
    direct threat to their faith. Trying to convince them that they are
    wrong about the validity of science is interpreted as a direct attack on

    My suggestion is that we should instead emphasize that science is about
    physical things and the Christian Faith is about spiritual matters.
    There need not be a conflict between science and religion and THAT is
    what is important. If all could come to believe this, then I think that
    the YEC viewpoint would just fade away with time as an irrelevant issue.

    Just an opinion.



    Walt Hicks <>
    In any consistent theory, there must
    exist true but not provable statements.
    (Godel's Theorem)

    You can only find the truth with logic
    If you have already found the truth
    without it. (G.K. Chesterton)

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