Re: Fountains of the great deep (was Glenn makes front page of AiG today)

Date: Fri Feb 08 2002 - 18:05:44 EST

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    Allen wrote,

    << The Oceans basins are the fountains of the great deep. These basins were
     broken up by asteroid impacts, initiating sinking of the dense oceanic crust
     into the Athenesphere. >>

    Only by taking the "fountains of the great deep" out of their historical and
    biblical context could they be considered "ocean basins." Biblical scholars
    with the requisite training in languages and ancient Near Eastern studies
    universally agree that the fountains are TERRESTRIAL fountains drawing their
    water from the SUBTERRANEAN ocean which the Bible and other ancient Near
    Eastern literature understood to be beneath the earth (Pss 24:2; 136:6).

    Gordon Wenham, Genesis 1-15, p. 181 "All the springs…suggesting water gushing
    forth uncontrollably from wells and springs which draw from a great
    subterrranean ocean ("the great deep")…"

    Bruce Waltke, Genesis, p. 139 "The earth is being returned to its precreation
    chaos by the release of the previously bounded waters above and by the
    upsurge of the subterrannean waters (See 1:2, 6-9, 8:2)."

    Gerhard Hasel, "The Fountains of the Great Deep," Origins 1(2):67-72 (1974).
    In Psalm 74:15 one reads "Thou didst break open (baqac) springs and
    torrents." According to the context this seems to mean that God split open
    the earth so that waters could come forth which could feed the springs of
    rivers. In Exodus 14:16 Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea and
    divided (baqac) it. The idea is a splitting apart of the waters. According to
    Judges 15:19 God "split open" (baqac) the hollow place and water came from
    it. In Isaiah 48:21 it is stated that He "cleft" (baqac) the rock and waters
    gushed out. In these verses the same verb appears as in Genesis 7:11 and has
    consistently the meaning of bursting forth, dividing, cleaving, splitting
    open. On the basis of these and other passages , it appears safe to suggest
    that in Genesis 7:11 the meaning of "burst forth" refers to a breaking open
    of the crust of the earth to let subterranean waters pour out in unusual
    quantity. Accordingly the whole clause "all the fountains of the great deep
    burst forth" may be taken to refer to the fountains, which in normal times
    furnished sufficient water for the needs of men and animals and the
    irrigation of the fields. At the beginning of the flood these fountains burst
    open and poured out such terrific quantities of water which together with the
    water raining down from the heavens brought about the flood which destroyed
    all life on earth.

    I also have dealt with these fountains in my paper, "The Geographical Meaning
    of "Earth" and "Seas" in Genesis 1:10," Westminster Theological Journal 59
    (1997) 231-55. To cite just a small part of that discussion,

    Prov 3:20, another verse that pairs water from above (in the form of dew)
    with water from below, parallels Gen 7:11's reference to the water from
    below grammatically for it uses the same verb ( baqa' ) to speak of splitting
    open the springs as was used in Gen 7:11. In addition, the springs in Prov
    3:20 are called tehomot which parallels the description of springs in Gen
    7:11 where they are called "springs of the great tehom." The springs of Prov
    3:20 are thus identified with the springs of Gen 7:11. Since the springs
    mentioned in Prov 3:20 are in a context of agricultural blessing (paired with
    "dew"), they must be earthly fresh-water springs. Prov 3:20 thus shows us
    that the springs of Gen 7:11 are also earthly fresh-water springs and
    reciprocally Gen 7:11 shows us that the fresh-water springs (tehomot) of Prov
    3:20 were fed by the great tehom (sea) of Gen 7:11. The grammar, the
    historical context, and the fact that the pairing of water from above with
    water from below regularly refers the water from below to the sea beneath the
    earth, makes this interpretation sure. Scott, therefore, correctly comments
    on Prov 3:20:
    An echo of Gen vii 11 where the water which submerged the world in the days
    of Noah is said to have surged up like a tide from the subterranean ocean and
    fallen from sluices in the sky.

    Others could be cited, but all of the above are evangelical scholars, and
    Hasel was a seventh day adventist who believed in a global flood.


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