Re: Do animals ever "sin" (was something else)

From: Moorad Alexanian (
Date: Tue Feb 05 2002 - 09:36:37 EST

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    I think animal sacrifice instituted by God for His people indicates to me
    that animals have no souls and so do not partake of original sin. Moorad

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    > >>>I once watched a group of DeBrazzas monkeys at a zoo. All the adults
    > settling down for a nap, but one youngster had other ideas. He would wait
    > one male was nodding off and then would climb over and yank his tail
    > When the male got fed up and started to move towards the troublemaker, he
    > for his mother. The male would settle down again, only to be woken by
    > yank on the tail. Obviously the youngster knew it was harrassing the
    other, but
    > is it sin?<<<
    > David Campbell
    > I think we have to draw the line between what animals do and the
    > characteristics of sin. What we need to consider is that we have free
    will, not
    > just in our very actions but in the way we think, and this is where there
    is a
    > divergence between us and lower species.
    > We have a pre-meditative and a post-meditative dualism of action and
    > built into our soul. I will use a relatively grotesque but useful example
    > illustrate the point. If I wanted to kill my aunt to inherit her millions,
    > would need to pre-meditate her murder by devising schemes to do away with
    her in
    > such an ingenious way so as to avoid capture and suspicion. The result
    would be
    > that I would inherit the money, and this may seem _good_ to me. BUT and
    this is
    > a big but, I KNOW for sure that I have committed a wrongful act through my
    > post-meditative powers of thought/will. I know for sure that I have
    > an evil act in its purest form. My conscious is not clear even though the
    > results of my actions seem to be good.
    > And this is what separates us from other animals. There is a huge gulf
    > humans and animals in terms of _results_ of actions and meditative
    > The young monkey would perceive 'interesting' results from his harassment
    of the
    > adult but he would not be able to post-meditate his actions in terms of
    Good and
    > Evil. Hence he cannot sin!
    > Therefore one must admit that there is something very special about the
    > soul that no other creature can posses: Our ability to perceive good and
    > (or meaning) from actions and thoughts.
    > Richard Kouchoo.

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