RE: Redheads descended from Neanderthals?

From: Glenn Morton (
Date: Wed Jan 30 2002 - 09:10:05 EST

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    Hi Richard,

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    >Behalf Of Richard Kouchoo

    >I am a newcomer here (actually I've been here a few times in the
    >past) and have
    >been following a few discussion threads quite intently.
    >I found John Burgeson's take on the creation of soul very interesting:
    >_Perhaps, just perhaps, the creation of
    >humans-in-the-image-of-God did not take place as an event -- but as a
    >process. If one allows that it may be a process, rather than an
    >event-at-a-moment-of-time, then that process may well have started prior
    >to both Neandertal and Homo-sapiens_

    One of the things that really struck me when I started studying anthro was
    the large amount of evidence for behaviors which we would call 'human' among
    the N.'s and H. erectus. In my mind, the existence of possible religious
    sites clearly shows that the human soul (however we define it) was in
    existence prior to the building of those altars. And given the age of the
    altars (or what I most assuredly beleive were altars, this means that the
    human soul was around at least 400,000 years ago.

    Neanderthal examples:
    At Bruniquel, France, archeologists have excavated a square stone structure
    dating to more than 47,000 years ago (prior to the advent of modern man in
    Europe) in which the Neanderthals burned a bear. Bednarik (1996, p. 104)

    "The cave of Bruniquel in southern France has just produced fascinating new
    evidence. Several hundred metres in from the cave entrance, a stone
    structure has been discovered. It is quadrilineal, measures four by five
    metres and has been constructed from pieces of stalagmite and stalactite. A
    burnt fragment of a bear bone found in it was radiocarbon analysed, yielding
    a 'date' of greater than 47 600 years BP. This suggests that the structure
    is the work of Neanderthals. It is located in complete darkness, which
    proves that the people who ventured so deep into the large cave system had
    reliable lighting and had the confidence to explore such depths. Bruniquel
    is one of several French caves that became closed subsequent to their
    Pleistocene use, but were artificially opened this century."

    This appears to have been the ritual sacrifice of a bear. It is also the
    first proof that man went deep into caves long before they painted the
    walls. (Balter, 1996, p. 449)

    Homo erectus example:
    There is an even earlier altar, which is not controversial, found at
    Bilzingsleben, Germany. The excavators, Dietrich and Ursula Mania have found
    a 27-foot-diameter paved area that they say was used for "special cultural
    activities" (Mania et al,1994, p. 124; See also Mania and Mania, 1988, p.
    92). Gore writes:

    "But Mania's most intriguing find lies under a protective shed. As he opens
    the door sunlight illuminates a cluster of smooth stones and pieces of bone
    that he believes were arranged by humans to pave a 27-foot-wide circle.
    "'They intentionally paved this area for cultural activities,' says Mania.
    'We found here a large anvil of quartzite set between the horns of a huge
    bison, near it were fractured human skulls.'" (1997,p. 110)

    I would contend that the symbolism here, if found in a modern village, would
    be enough to cause one to turn and flee for his life. Such an arrangement of
    objects would immediately be interpreted as evidence of religion, and a
    hostile religion at that.


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