Re: Bare Naked Noah

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Date: Sun Jan 27 2002 - 20:57:49 EST

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    But what about the puxxeling reference to nakedness in Ex 20:26 and the
    related Ex 28:42? This certainly could not refer to incest. I have always
    been puzzeled about the use of the word in Exodus. There is evidently some
    information being conveyed here that the orignial audience understood, but
    with which we have no clue. I looked up a couple of commentaries but they
    opinioned that it was a modesty problem caused by robes and steps.

    Bob Miller

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    From: "Adrian Teo" <>
    To: "'John W Burgeson '" <>; <>
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    Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:45 PM
    Subject: RE: Bare Naked Noah

    > To "look upon the nakedness" was apparently an ancient Hebrew idiom which
    > referred to incest. In this case, it appears that maternal incest took
    > place, and the result was Canaan. That is why the curse was not upon the
    > perpetrator Ham, but upon the offspring of the incestual union, Canaan.
    > appears to be why Moses warned Israel about the perverse practices of the
    > people Canaan. Incest was part their ritual worship.
    > Interestingly, the only other time drunkedness is mentioned in Genesis is
    > when Lot's daughters deliberately get him drunk, for the purpose of
    > committing incest.
    > Homosexual rape (and castration, the other major interpretation) fails to
    > explain why Noah cursed Canaan rather than Ham.
    > See F.W. Bassett, (1971). "NOah's nakedness and the curse on Canaan: A
    > of incest", Vetus Testamentum 21:232-37.
    > D. Steinmetz, (1994). "Wineyard, farm, and garden: The drunkedness of NOah
    > in the contezxt of primeval history" Journal of Biblical Literature, 113,
    > 199-200.
    > R.W.E. Forrest (1994). "Paradise lost again" JOurnal for the study of the
    > Old Testament, 62, 3-18.
    > Adrian.
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: John W Burgeson
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    > Cc:
    > Sent: 1/26/2002 3:30 PM
    > Subject: Re: Bare Naked Noah
    > Dick Fischer wrote: "Bible scholars have wondered at this prophetic
    > judgment directed at Noah's grandson weighed against the apparent
    > insignificance of the offense. Why was Noah angered at his son seeing
    > him naked and telling his brothers? "
    > According to the book, THE BIBLE AND HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICE, by Robert
    > Gagnon, 2001, who appears to be a responsible scholar, the text uses
    > oblique language to refer to what was almost certainly a case of the son
    > raping Noah. Gagnon makes many references to the surrounding cultures
    > and how they viewed male-male sexual contacts.
    > Gagnon comes out with a different position on the gay issue than I do --
    > but his arguments are both interesting and need to be dealt with. In the
    > case above, I am personally persuaded he has made an excellent argument
    > for his analysis.
    > John Burgeson (Burgy)
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