Re: God acting in creation #4+++

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (
Date: Tue Dec 18 2001 - 23:40:08 EST

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    Great, now we have UFOs and ETIs and universes with different physical
    laws to support an idiosyncratic interpretation of the first chapters of
    Genesis. I note that only one "beast" spoke, and that was the tempter,
    whose head would be crushed by the seed of the woman. That's hardly a
    justification for an alternate universe from which two (three ?) members
    were transferred to ours. As Alice once said, "Curioser and curioser."

    On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:15:41 -0800 Walter Hicks
    <> writes:
    george murphy wrote:
    1) As I noted earlier, the "rivers section" of Gen.2 indicates that that
    account refers to our present world (in which at least 2 of those rivers
    are identifiable). This doesn't require that it be historical narrative
    but whatever it is it's about our earth.
    I disagree. That does not prove that it is our Earth, nor does it prove
    that it not historical. If it is historical, it could not be our Earth.
    2) Was that first universe not one of increasing entropy? If Adam or
    Eve put a bucket of hot water next to one of cold water did they not come
    to a common temperature? For that matter, the chemical reactions their
    lives required couldn't have operated without the 2d law.
    Pish! That sounds like a physicist who likes to define what God can or
    cannot create. Why not a universe without the physical laws that you have
    come to know and love? If you want to force fit a single universe theory,
    then you are pretty much required to consider much of Genesis 2 & 3 to be
    a myth or legend. I prefer to take the Bible at face value.
    3) You assume that the 2 creation accounts must be reconcilable as
    historical accounts but there is no need to make this assumption.
    Questions about what God could do are irrelevant. The Bible deals with
    the one world God has created, not Dreamtimes, parallel worlds, &c.
    If I take the Bible at face value, I see a world (in Genesis 2 & 3) where
    men came before animals and beasts could speak. Where does the Bible say
    that God created only one world and that the story of Adam and Eve is
    some sort of a fable? Jesus seemed to think that Genesis 2 and 3 was
    George L. Murphy
    "The Science-Theology Interface"

    Walt Hicks <> 
    In any consistent theory, there must 
    exist true but not provable statements. 
    (Godel's Theorem) 
    You can only find the truth with logic 
    If you have already found the truth 
    without it. (G.K. Chesterton) 

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