on 8/31/01 3:21 AM, psiigii at email@example.com wrote:
>> >Thank you, James! God did not create mathematics, nor did He create
> OK! Why not?
> In my worldview reality consists of a physical universe (matter), a mental
> world, (our awareness of the laws of mathematics as well as any subject
> matter.), and the spiritual realm (known to us through our consciousness.)
> Humans only use mathematics and physics. Who or what created the laws used in
> them, if it was not God?
>> >God created matter.
> Or should we say energy rather than matter? Einstein's discovery of E = mc2
> can be interpreted to imply how much energy is required to give the appearance
> of a certain amount of mass, which suggests that matter is an illusion. Did
> God create matter an illusion? Eastern religions start creation with
> illusion, while Christianity starts with truth.
> How do you feel about mathematics not always estimating truth?
> James Stark
>> > "Physics" is just man's feeble attempt to grasp the true
> essence of the matter God created. Mathematics is just the language man uses
> in these attempts. As man's insights into the true nature of "material world"
> the mathematical "language" we employ to conceptualize/formalize our
> which, BTW, may still not be the true essence--has evolved to this end. In
> end, however, physics is still man's attempt to understand, and mathematics is
> still just man's language to verbalize our understanding (again, not
> being the truth). Both are man's creations, not God's.
> Howard Meyer
> (BTW, George, I read your response to James before writing this...)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James W Stark" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: "asa" <email@example.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:04 AM
> Subject: Re: How Einstein and Hammond proved God exists
>> > on 8/30/01 9:07 AM, George Hammond at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>>> > > < large snip>
>>> > > If then, "Man is made in the image of God", Riemannian
>>> > > geometry must be the description of God.. or more specifically,
>>> > > Einstein's theory is. See:
>>> > >
>>> > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Rie-Helm-Weyl.html
>> > Quoting from this site:
>> > _Now, beyond all this, what we see is that the "geometric properties
>> > of space itself" are the CAUSAL FORCE that determines the geometrical
>> > shape of the human body. Because of this, it turns out that the
>> > "geometrical shape of the brain" is also determined and is found to
>> > be "3-axis Cartesian" in SHAPE (notice I said SHAPE, not volume).
>> > The Brain actually has Axes of mechanical symmetry, just like
>> > the Body:_
>> > Why do you confine your concept of God to mathematics. Mathematics can
>> > estimate what might be fixed laws. It cannot guarantee truth. Physicists
>> > are now suggesting that matter is an illusion.
>> > As a reference see: <http://www.calphysics.org/pop_articles.html>
>> > See the article Beyond E=mc2 for how we can reason this way. I quote:
>> > _It is actually a statement about how much energy is required to give the
>> > appearance of a certain amount of mass, rather than about the conversion of
>> > one fundamental thing, energy, into another fundamental thing, mass._
>> > [B. Haisch, A. Rueda & H.E. Puthoff, The Sciences, Vol. 34, No. 6, November
>> > / December, pp. 26-31 (1994).]
>> > Mathematics cannot explain the truth of a non-deterministic free will.
>> > God used God's free will to create mathematics. The Christian God embraces
>> > the truth of non-deterministic free will. Your association of God to a
>> > mathematical proof cannot establish truth.
>> > James Stark
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