Why YEC?... about the YEC timebomb

From: George Hammond (ghammond@mediaone.net)
Date: Sun Aug 19 2001 - 20:53:13 EDT

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    Allen wrote:

    I got this from a YEC email list. I thought It might
     spark an interesting discussion. The person's
    name has be removed to protect his identity. If
    you (singular) absolutely must know who this is, I'll
    talk to the author and see if his is willing to be
    identified to you.

    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:02 PM
    Subject: Why YEC?

    Hi everyone,
      Several people have answered the basic question "Why did you become
    YEC?" These are interesting, and I'll add my answer.

          When I was in school in the 30's and early 40's, I had never heard of
    anyone with an interest in science who actually believed early Genesis. I
    was raised in church, and believed the Bible (except for early Genesis).
    my church was liberal and I hadn't become a born-again Christian. Since I
    had an active interest in science, I believed in evolution and ancient
    Earth-age. That belief was reinforced when the Army put me in the Manhattan
    Project (first atomic bomb) and I met a number of scientists whose names
    you've all heard of.

          Later, while I was Chief Engineer of Isotopes Inc., several of our top
    staff were Ph.D.'s, including one who was also Professor of Geochemistry at
    Columbia University. He and a few others were Wheaton graduates, and
    Christians who believed in Progressive Creation. We often had lunch
    together, and the subject of origins was one of our favorite "arguing
    points." By that time I had become a born again Christian, and studied the
    Bible. But I still never heard of any scientist who accepted the YEC
    viewpoint, so I didn't either.

          But I asked many questions, about radioactivity, dating methods,
    This Professor was generally recognized as one of the world's experts on
    geochronology, gave testimony before Congress on that subject, and was also
    true gentleman who tried to answer my queries honestly. He and another
    believed fervently in OEC and progressive creation over extreme times. My
    questions kept getting back to "Well how do you really know?" on various
    aspects of the foundations of radio-dating. Our lunchtime group wasn't just
    a bunch of dummies -- we were all quite knowledgeable about dating
    etc -- that was one of our company's products. But I kept feeling subtle
    doubts about the foundational accuracy of radio-dating. (BTW, this was in
    the years around 1960.)

          I kept studying technical journals and books, and finally became
    convinced that circular logic and faith in prior beliefs played a strong
    in radio-dating -- in other words, it wasn't a "scientific fact, provable by
    scientific methods." There was too much unprovable belief involved. By
    time I was a dedicated Christian, who kept being bothered by this dichotomy
    of my own beliefs. I became open to a YEC attitude, but still had never
    known there was such a thing as a "scientific creationist" who believed in
    YEC. When I finally met one, and he gave me one of the early copies of a
    Bible-Science Newsletter, I found there was actually such a thing as a
    scientist who really believed in early Genesis. I subscribed, and quickly
    became an active scientific creationist -- (that was the common term in
    days, and I still don't like that term).

          When someone asks me why I'm YEC now, one facet of my answer always
    includes the closer relationship to God the Creator, and the comfort that
    gives. No, you don't have to believe in YEC to be a Christian, but it
    certainly does help one's relationship with God.

    Several comments, to the author, whomever he is:

    1. YEC is a more sophisticated theory than OEC

    2. Both YEC and OEC are scientifically correct

    3. OEC rests to the fact of Evolution (biologically speaking).
        and takes the advent of DNA to be the "beginning of life".
        This is correct if you define "Life" as the birthdate of the
        first living organism. This is an elementary theory which
        essentially ignores the impact of the existence of the phenomena
        of "God" on the problem.

    4. YEC, takes the "beginning of Life" to be the advent of the
        Human Species (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) which is only 40,000
        years old. This theory does NOT ignore the existence of
        God, in that it is pointed out that "reality as we know it"
        did not exist before the advent of the H.s.s. brain. Thus
        "reality was created 40,000 years ago", hence the
        "Creation of the world" happened 40,000 years ago (YEC uses
        the Biblical figure of 6,000 yrs).

    5. As an intelligent person can see, BOTH theories are correct.
        But, also, as one can see, YEC is more sophisticated than
        OEC, since you can understand OEC without knowing what God
        is, but you can only understand YEC and OEC if in fact you
        DO know what God is. This is of course the nexus of the
        controversy, YEC's are people who know what God is, and OEC's
        are people who don't. I advise caution therefore to all

    6. As a practical matter, the YEC's are going to come out on top
        in the political arena... mainly because science is about to
        deliver a scientific proof of God to the world (SPOG), and the
        most controversial thing about it is that it is going to prove
        that "Science" is wrong (about God, Creation and the Bible), and
        the Fundamentalists are right.

    7. So... my advice to the adamant scientists who get up and
        condemn the YEC's... is.... BE CAREFUL, the dice are loaded,
        the YEC's know it, and you are going to get took.

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    George Hammond, M.S. Physics
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