RE: Jonah Again

From: Joel Z Bandstra (
Date: Tue Aug 14 2001 - 19:51:45 EDT

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    With regard to my first cautionary point you advocate a model of salvation
    wherein God offers salvation and man chooses to accept or no. This issue
    is, of course, quite complicated and I can not, of course, pronounce the
    answer. Also, the topic has been discussed often and documents exist that
    represent a far better investigation then anything I could ever achieve
    (for example, the cannons of Dordt). I will just say that the 50/50 model
    (IMHO, or maybe I should say IMNSHO) ignores the sin nature of man and
    leaves room for the saved to boast, not in Christ but in themselves.

    With regard to my second cautionary point you respond with a caution of
    your own concerning our becoming bible worshipers, which was, I think, the
    gist of your original post. I agree, and the cartoon you describe is all
    too accurate a description of how we (or at least, I) interact with each
    other, both within the church and within secular society. I would like to
    add to "inspired" the word authoritative, lest we be in danger of taking
    the bible lightly and thereby be in position to jettison the pieces that we
    don't like (for we, or at least I, do that all too much already).

    As an aside, I am uncomfortable with the wording of the statement: "The
    Bible is a witness to the two thousand year history of our religion and the
    earlier religion from which it sprang." I don't think the last part of
    this accurately portrays the relationship between Christianity and the old
    testament. It is, of course, the same God who is worshiped and Christ is
    the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy and I think it appropriate to say
    something like "The covenant made to Abraham is extended also to us through
    Christ, we are grafted in."

    With regard to my question of how do we stand firm in a Christ like fashion
    and how do we portray our stance to our youth. I think the key is that the
    Gospel be the center and focus of our stance. As such we are to be humble,
    open to correction (by God, especially through our church leadership),
    studious of the bible, and in prayer. If we are standing firm in Christ
    and try to portray, in an honest fashion, the trials and the joys of that
    stance to our youth then perhaps that is enough.

    In Christ,

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