Re: Copernicus was wrong?

From: Moorad Alexanian (
Date: Tue Aug 07 2001 - 13:45:59 EDT

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    The physical displacement of the earth is a scientific statement that has
    nothing to do with the general notion of what or whom humans are. I am
    thinking like a modern scientist not caring who those in the past thought.
    Can we then say that the Anthropic principle places humans at the center of
    creation? Moorad

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Roberts <>
    To: Moorad Alexanian <>; americanscientificaffiliation
    <>; <>
    Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:21 PM
    Subject: Re: Copernicus was wrong?

    >It's pretty obvious, by displacing the earth Copernicus displaced humans.
    >Who was bothered that the earth was moving. The only "reference" I know of
    >is that of calvin, which he never said or wrote.
    >Michael Roberts
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "Moorad Alexanian" <>
    >To: "americanscientificaffiliation" <>; <>
    >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:08 PM
    >Subject: Fw: Copernicus was wrong?
    >> The discovery of Copernicus was a scientific discovery about the solar
    >> system and has nothing to do with humans. He may have displaced the
    >> but we know nothing about displacing humans. Moorad
    >> >-----Original Message-----
    >> >From: Ted Davis <>
    >> >To: <>
    >> >Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:39 PM
    >> >Subject: Copernicus was wrong?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >>Glenn Morton writes (correctly) that Copernicus is usually credited
    >> >>moving humans out of the center. However, as I have noted in other
    >> >>several times, this very common notion is very wrong. In short,
    >> Copernicus
    >> >>did not move humanity from the center--because we were never there!
    >> >Ptolemy
    >> >>and others since antiquity were well aware of the earth's approximate
    >> >>and shape, and medieval intellectuals were fully aware that we are a
    >> >>significant 4000 miles from the "center" of the universe. Furthermore,
    >> >>was not desireable to be in the center at all, for that's where hell
    >> >>thought to be. This feature of Copernicanism--moving humanity away
    >> >the
    >> >>center--did not bother people at the time; what bothered them was the
    >> >>ridiculous claim that the earth is moving.
    >> >>
    >> >>The myth that Copernicus assaulted human dignity may have been invented
    >> >>Freud, as part of a selve-serving idea that Copernicus moved us out of
    >> >>center, Darwin reduced our uniqueness, and he (Freud) had assaulted our
    >> >>rationality. I say "may have been," b/c I am not confident this part
    >> >>the story is right. But I'm confident the first paragraph is right.
    >> >>
    >> >>Ted Davis
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>Edward B. Davis
    >> >>Professor of the History of Science
    >> >>Messiah College
    >> >>Grantham, PA 17027
    >> >>717-766-2511 (voice)
    >> >>717-691-6002 (fax)
    >> >>
    >> >

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