New synthesis of science and religion

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Date: Sun Jun 24 2001 - 17:21:07 EDT

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    I can tell you are very much of a traditionalist, but there are no "facts,"
    only opinions in ethical philosophy. I can cite good reasons for the
    additions made, such as St. Paul talks about "decency" in 1 CO:14,
    immediately following Chapt 13, where he expounds upon faith, hope, and
    charity. Similarly, Plato writes extensively about "wisdom" in the context
    of beauty, truth, and goodness. It is perhaps a shortcoming on the part of
    the later commentaries that these significant insights were missed. In
    truth, all new progress is made through discovering new insights and
    relationships. I was hoping that the cohesive and orderly nature of this new
    system of virtues and values would be a reasonable validation, or at least
    warrant more serious consideration.

    Appetite/(+R) Aversion/(-R) Solicit/(+R) Submissive/(-R)
    Nostalgia/Worship Guilt/Blame Desire/Approval Worry/Concern
    Glory/Prudence Honor/Justice Dignity/Temperance Integrity/Fortitude
    Providence/Faith Liberty/Hope Civility/Charity Austerity/Decency
    Grace/Beauty Free-will/Truth Magnanim./Goodness Equanim./Wisdom
    Tranquil./Ecstasy Equality/Bliss Love/Joy Peace/Harmony

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    From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
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    Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:54 PM
    Subject: Re: New synthesis of science and religion

    Dave writes:

    >I find the several sets of four curious. The first are Plato's four
    >cardinal virtues, but there are only three theological virtues. Combined
    >with Plato's, there are the traditional Seven Cardinal Virtues. The Greek
    >convertibles are three in number, beauty, truth and goodness. Looks to me
    >as though, when reality doesn't fit, John forces a fit.

    >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:53:08 -0700 "John" <>
    >> A new model of motivational behavior, described as a ten-level,
    >> meta-hierarchy of the major groupings of virtues, values, and
    >> ideals, serves
    >> as the foundation for a new holistic theory of ethics and morality:
    >> with
    >> revolutionary applications to behavioral science. The key innovation
    >> arises
    >> as a direct outcome of the Communications Theory concept of the
    >> metaperspective (a higher-order perspective upon the viewpoint held
    >> by
    >> another). The traditional groupings of ethical terms are
    >> collectively
    >> arrayed as subsets within such a hierarchy of metaperspectives, each
    >> more
    >> abstract listing building in a direct fashion upon that which it
    >> supersedes.
    >> Take, for example, the cardinal virtues
    >> (prudence-justice-temperance-fortitude), the theological virtues
    >> (faith-hope-charity-decency), and the classical Greek values
    >> (beauty-truth-goodness-wisdom). Each of these groupings is split
    >> into a
    >> complex of four subordinate terms, allowing for precise,
    >> point-for-point
    >> stacking within the ethical hierarchy. When additional groupings of
    >> ethical
    >> terms are further added into the mix: namely, the personal ideals
    >> (glory-honor-dignity-integrity), the civil liberties
    >> (providence-liberty-civility-austerity), the humanistic values
    >> (peace-love-tranquility-equality), and the mystical values
    >> (ecstasy-bliss-joy-harmony), amongst others; the complete ten level
    >> hierarchy of metaperspectives emerges in full detail: along with
    >> their
    >> associated foundations in behavioral terminology.
    >> ___________________________________________________

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