Re: On supernaturalism

From: John W Burgeson (
Date: Fri Jun 15 2001 - 15:27:53 EDT

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    >>My quick appraisal of this interchange suggests that Howard and Griffin
    are talking about two different things. Howard's version of naturalism is
    a matter of the way in which scientists look for answers, one without
    metaphysical assumptions. Griffins "naturalism(ns)" has a load that makes
    it compatible with deism (a deity who does not interact with an
    independent nature), process theology (a deity which is part of the
    universe) and probably Spinoza's deus sive natura, but not with Christian
    theism. It looks to me as though Griffin presents his "definition" to
    support his quasi-theology so that he will not have to come to grips with
    a Creator and Sustainer and Redeemer. The Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
    plays hob with human philosophies.>>

    I would agree with your definition of naturalism which you identify with
    Howard. But I'm not as ready as you are to "write Griffin off." Certainly
    he claims to be a Christian; the fact that his metaphor(s) for God are
    different than what you and I are accustomed to thinking does not, IMHO,
    justify your second-from-the-last sentence.

    My own take is that I see Griffin's "naturalism(ns)" to simply be too
    confining, and not at all necessary for scientists to work within;
    methodological naturalism seems to be enough. From a scientist's
    viewpoint, of course, there does not seem to be any difference between
    naturalism(ns) and methodological naturalism. From the theist's point of
    view, of course, there is quite a bit.

    John Burgeson (Burgy)
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