I am sorry, but I do not have the information you want about these
gentlemen available to me. These persons both worked for Mobil in Dallas
before coming to Norway.
One of the persons had a general attitude which is very harsh/angry and
dogmatic. Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Judgement give me the suggestion that
such persons (and the Pharisees in the Bible) are stuck at the Stage 4.
Laws have to upheld. It is awful if they or others do not follow these
laws. It is the emotional component and not just the logic that causes us
to be so hung up in what we think is right.
Am I off target according to your experience? Would you mind summarising
My reference to Kohlberg's stages is Understanding Children's Development
3rd Ed (1999) by Peter K. Smith, Cowie and Blades. p. 220
Stage 1: Heteronomous morality - avoid breaking rules because you get
punished for that.
Stage 2: Individualism - follow rules to meet one's own interests/someone
Stage 3: Mutual interpersonal expectations - conformity to convention of
Stage 4: Social system and conscience - laws are to be upheld!
Postconventional or principled
Stage 5: Social contract or utility and individual rights - rules upheld
because they are a social contract and best for self and others
Stage 6: Universal ethical principles - follow self chosen ethical
<firstname.lastname@example.org To: "Jonathan Clarke" <email@example.com>,
Sent by: cc: "Keith B Miller" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, <email@example.com>
asa-owner@udomo5. Subject: Re: So. Baptist Spin on BOE Vote
Hello Samual, Jonathan and others,
I opened this message because it was from Johnathan and I always open his
messages, regardless of the topic, because I enjoy his opinions and
questions; but this time iot was the information from Samuel that got my
interest. In my 20+ years of being in and around the oil buisness and
geologic education, and with one exception, the only young earth geologists
I know or know of are those affiliated with the various young earth
institutes such as ICR or who teach at a college affiliated with a
denomination. The one exception was a geologist I briefly corresponded with
a couple of years ago who worked for Mobile in Dallas. Therefore I am very
curious about where these two people went to school, what their degrees
in, what level of education the attained, what their areas of
are and whether they were young earth creationists before they went to
school, became converted to this view in school, or after they graduated
started working. Perhaps someone could provide this information.
There are a couple of reasons I want the information I requested in the
previous paragraph. The first is that I try to keep a list of active young
earth creationists and YEC organizations so I can provide this information
to my students in my historical geology classes and the second is that I am
interested in the data and the logic upon which such beliefs rest.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Clarke" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: "Keith B Miller" <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: So. Baptist Spin on BOE Vote
> Hi Samuel
> How many were not YEC?
> Samuel.D.Olsen@rf.no wrote:
> > Comment from me:
> > Stavanger is the oil capital of Norway and through the 13 years I have
> > been here, I have been in contact with a good number of
> > geologists/geophysicists working for Oil Companies. Of those who have
> > attended the same church as me (Baptist affiliated with So. Baptist),
> > two were outspoken YEC proponents. These gentlemen nevertheless
> > out their projects for their companies and moved up the ladder
> > similar promotions as I observed for OEC/Theistic evolution proponents.
> > Sam
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Tue Jun 05 2001 - 08:04:06 EDT