Re: Fw: Shermer/Gish & Out of Africa

From: Jonathan Clarke (
Date: Fri Jun 01 2001 - 04:36:37 EDT

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    There is clearly still a long way to go when people like Michael Shertmer assume that Christians will automatically support Gish and those who oppose him are "skeptics, humanists, free thinkers...".


    Jim Hofmann wrote:

    > Of possible interest from Michael Shermer via e-skeptic:
    > Tomorrow night (Friday, June 1) at 7:00pm I will be debating Duane "the fossils say no" Gish in what I am told will be the final debate of his career. I am anticipating an overwhelming turn-out of Christians in support of Gish so I am posting this for any and all skeptics, humanists, free thinkers, scientists, etc. in the Phoenix area to please come in support. The debate is being held at:
    > Calvary Community Church
    > 12612 N. Black Canyon Highway, on the west side of I-17 south of the
    > Thunderbird Rd. exit.
    > I've got a whole new approach I'm taking, although that won't matter to Gish since he'll be using the same slides, jokes, and stories as he did when he started this shindig over 30 years ago. I'll post a report next week.
    > In the meantime, back in the real world of science, I recommend that you all go to and check out the new research reported on the Out-of-Africa v. Multi-regional theories of human origins. It looks like the former is going to win hands down. As a wonderful example of how science differs from religion, Science reports Vince Sarich, one of the most prominent supporters of the multi-regional theory (and one of the most outspoken and opinionated scientists I know--and I say this with great affection for Vince), as admitting he was wrong in the face of new evidence:
    > "I have undergone a conversion--a sort of epiphany. There are no old Y chromosome lineages [in living humans]. There are no old mtDNA lineages. Period. It was a total replacement."
    > (Here Vince is referring to the genetic study showing that every human population today can be traced back to a single population in Africa sometime between 35,000 and 89,000 years ago, and that all other hominids living around the globe were totally and completely replaced.) Now THAT takes intellectual courage and honesty to say, and you'll not often see such statements in the journal of the Institute for Creation Research!

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