In response to Tim, Bob says,
> Can anyone seriously doubt that the eye in its many manifestations was
Bob, I know that I am intruding into your exchange with Tim, but I cannot be
silent on the familiar theme of definitions. What do you mean when you say
"X was designed"?
You are clearly using "was designed" as a verb here. To what kind of action
does it refer?
1. Is it (consistent with modern usage) an act of mind (or Mind) --
conceptualizing/planning something for the accomplishment of a purpose?
2. Is it an act of "Hands" -- a form-conferring intervention by some
Until this choice (or some other) is made explicit, discussions about
"design" will continue to be a waste of time. By consciously choosing to
blur the distinction between mind action (design/plan) and hand action
(fabricate/assemble) the leaders of the ID movement have done a major
disservice to all persons who wish to carry on meaningful discussion about
the role of divine creative action in the formational history of the
Howard Van Till
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