Re: Kyoto

From: M.B.Roberts (
Date: Mon Apr 23 2001 - 11:12:05 EDT

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    Then answer this one!!! Trawsfynydd Nuclear Power Station was closed down several years because of technical problems. The sheep nearby are /were too radioactive for human consumption but that was caused by the Chernobyl leak.

    Is it a case of foot in mouth

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      From: Vandergraaf, Chuck
      To: 'Jonathan Clarke'
      Cc: acg ; ; Vandergraaf, Chuck
      Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:53 PM
      Subject: RE: Kyoto


      Thanks for these URLs. I didn't have time last weekend to dig around for this information and I'm glad you had the URLs at your finger tips. Of course, the information is supplied by the Uranium Institute and this will probably be considered "propaganda" by anti-nuclear activists.

      Incidentally, the same "folk explanations" were used following the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania. Any animal miscarriage, any animal deformity, and any failed crop was attributed to that accident, even though it was shown that it was inconceivable that there could be any link.

      A more recent "folk explanation" is the effect of DU on Gulf War and Bosnia veterans. Yet, the media are all too happy to propagate this sort of nonsense and misinformation. I suppose that, if you tell a lie often enough, it is considered to be a fact.

      Chuck Vandergraaf

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      From: Jonathan Clarke []
      Sent: Saturday April 21, 2001 8:34 AM
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      Subject: Re: Kyoto

        It would appear, based in information I have, that Chernobyl is used a folk explanation for all and any problem in in for USSR. Internationally verified studies (by the WHO in the mid 90's) showed that the actual death toll from Chernobyl was in the 40's (, about 30 from acute radiation sickness and 10 from thyroid cancer. More deaths from leukemia are expected, but it is too early for these to appear.
        The most recent study is "Sources and Effects of Ionizing Radiation", United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, UNSCEAR 2000 Report to the General Assembly, with Scientific Annexes, Volume 2: Effects, Annex J (106 pp) ISBN : 92-1-422396 (

        "413 Apart from the substantial increase in thyroid cancer after childhood exposure observed in Belarus, in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine, there is no evidence of a major public health impact related to ionizing radiation 14 years after the Chemobyl accident. No increases in overall cancer incidence or mortality that could be associated with radiation exposure have been observed. For some cancers no increase would have been anticipated as yet, given the latency period of around 10 years for solid tumours. The risk of leukaemia, one of the most sensitive indicators of radiation exposure, has not been found to be elevated even in the accident recovery operation workers or in children. There is no scientific proof of an increase in other non-malignant disorders related to ionizing radiation."

        "415. There is a tendency to attribute increases in cancer rates (other than thyroid) over time to the Chemobyl [sic] accident, but it should be noted that increases were also observed before the accident in the affected areas. More- over, a general increase in mortality has been reported in recent years in most areas of the former USSR, and this must also be taken into account in interpreting the results of the Chemobyl-related studies."

        "416. Increases of a number of non-specific detrimental health effects other than cancer in accident recovery workers have been reported, e.g. increased suicide rates and deaths due to violent causes. It is difficult to interpret these findings without reference to a known baseline or background incidence. The exposed populations undergo much more intensive and active health follow-up than the general population. As aresult, using the general population as a comparison group, as has been done so far in most studies, is inadequate."

        The human tragedy of sick, abandoned, and deformed children in the region is real, but the causal link with Chernobyl is not established.


        "M.B.Roberts" wrote:

          I dont think those in Belarus and around Chernobyl would agree with all their cancers and deformities.My daughter visited Belarus las t october and was horrified that deformed babies were so common due to Chernobyl and were then given to orphanages.However these issues are so complex that I dont think one can come out with quick answers Michael
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            From:george murphy
            To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
            Cc: 'M.B.Roberts' ; acg ;
            Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:41 PM
            Subject: Re: Kyoto
            "Vandergraaf, Chuck" wrote:

              No, Michael, IMHO, you are not too green. Kermit the frog said "It's hard being green." I would say that it difficult to be too green!
                      But it is easy to be ignorantly green. Note, e.g., the opposition of many self-described greens to any form of nuclear power which (as Jon points out) could make a big dent in greenhouse emissions.

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