Re: Don't forget about me! (distal vs. proximate)

From: John W Burgeson (
Date: Mon Apr 09 2001 - 15:41:40 EDT

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    Terry posted:

    " As I've said many times
    before, the critique that we ought to be making of the atheistic
    community is at the philosophical/theological level and not at the
    practical science level. On the fundamental philosophical/theological
    issues I agree whole-heartedly with Phil Johnson and eagerly desire to
    ranks with him, but he does not welcome me, but rather actively opposes
    (calls my views "vacuous", claims that I'm duped by the secular
    establishment, accuses me of fearfully trembling before the secularly
    controlled granting agencies and scientific journal editors, etc.)."

    The last conversation I've had with Phil on that subject was at the NTSE.
    It was then that he predicted publicly that the TE position would be null
    within 18 months. I argued with him on that prediction, even commenting
    that if ID was wildly successful beyond all his dreams that positions did
    not erode as quickly as all that. He was adamant.

    It has bee four years now since the NTSE. I see some gains for the ID
    movement, but also some losses. I surely do not see anything really new
    that is empirical science yet.

    Johnson is so right when he goes after Dawkins, Sagan, et. al. and so
    bollixed when he writes and talks of people such as Van Till and
    yourself. I do not understand that.

    Burgy (John Burgeson)

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