From: Ted Davis (
Date: Fri Sep 22 2000 - 08:43:25 EDT

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    Geocentricity in the last year of the twentieth century is what I call
    "serious nonsense" when telling my students about it. I have a file on this
    dating back to the late 1970s, when Pittsburgh Creation Society member
    Richard Elmendorf issued a $1000 challenge for evidence "proving" the
    earth's motion, either its orbital motion or diurnal motion. He explicitly
    rejected a long list of classical arguments for such motion, including the
    Coriolis effect, the aberration of starlight, stellar parallax, the Foucault
    pendulum, etc. What it comes down to is this: unless someone can produce a
    *logically necessary* proof, *or* a clear statement of scripture directly
    referring to a moving earth, then it ain't good enough.

    The "regular" creationists I know are shocked and embarrassed by this type
    of nonsense, but there it is, and for (IMO) exactly the same reasons:
    science and a literal Bible must be made to agree in detail. You pays your
    money and you takes your choice. The comments about Galileo having had to
    deal with this are correct, but we note that creationists reject Galileo's
    approach to scripture although most of them accept his scientific
    conclusions which influenced his biblical interpretation.

    The earth's motion and the presence of death before the fall are in my view
    the two most pregnant points of contact between the bible and modern
    science. Scientific creationists accept one but not the other; ID advocates
    generally (not all of them) accept both, but haven't come to terms
    theologically with the second. Geocentrists reject both.

    Ted Davis

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