Re: Noah's Flood (The book)

glenn morton (mortongr@flash.net)
Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:40:01 +0000

At 08:49 AM 11/29/99 -0700, John W. Burgeson wrote:
>Question to my friend, Glenn Morton (& others):
>
>Have you seen/read the book NOAH'S FLOOD by
>Ryan & Pitman?

Yes I have read it.

>
>It postulates the flod was ~7600 years ago, it was local,
>it happened in what is, today, the Black Sea, that there
>were many survivors, and that most flood legends,
>including that in the Bible, are derived from this.
>
>The authors have valid credentials, their claims are
>interesting and the evidence they cite fairly compeling (IMHO).

Without a doubt the Black Sea infilled as they say. My objections to this
being the basis of the Noah's flood tale can be found at

http://www.flash.net/~mortongr/bseaflod.htm

Among other items, the black sea infilled only 330 feet in two years. That
is .45 feet per day. Given the slope of the former land men would have had
to move .06 miles per day to avoid the water. This is like moving 3 houses
down the block each day. At these rates, why the Black Sea flood wasn't
remembered as the great march, I don't know.

The farmers were never out of sight of land during the flood.

And the paleontology really supports a gradual increase in salinity rather
than a catastrophic increase. THis is from my web page:

There is geologic data which is inconsistent with their hypothesis. It
appears from fossil fauna found in the sediment layers laid down
immediately after the flood that the salinification of the sea took several
hundred years. They point out (Noah's Flood, p. 153) that 20 feet of
sediment has been deposited in the past 7500 years. This works out to .032
inches per year of new sediment.

The hard clay that represents the fresh water lake deposits contain a brown
mussel called Dreissena rostiformis . Above this, at the base of the
re-fill sediments a brackish-water Mediterranean species, Cardium edule
appeared as well as two other brackishwater species Dreissena polymorpha
and Monodacna caspia. Cardium edule could only have come from the
Mediterranean. During the deposition of the next five inches of sediment,
these brackish-water species were replaced by species fully adapted to life
in the sea. These species are Mytilus gallopprovincialis, Alba ovata,Retusa
truncatula and Parvicardium exiguum. These five inches of sediment imply
that it took 156 years for the Black Sea to change from fresh-water to
salt-water. This is much longer than should have been the case.

Secondly, there is the mystery of Emiliania hyxleyi. This is a
Mediterranean algae which is passive surface dweller. It can't swim and
merely floats in the upper part of the ocean. Due to the fact that the
surface waters of the Bosporus flows from the Black Sea into the
Mediterranean it can't enter the Black Sea today. This algae did not enter
the Black Sea until the seventh century B.C., nearly 5000 years after the
time of the flood. This fact had been used in the past to argue that the
Black Sea had gradually become more salty. Ryan and Pitman argue that the
algae was unable to enter the Black Sea because the surface flow had kept
it out. (Noah's Flood, p. 147). The problem with this suggestion is the
mystery of why this passive surface dweller did not enter the Black Sea
along with the Mediterranean waters when the catastrophic filling of the
Black Sea was supposed to occur. A passive floating algae would be dragged
along with the infilling waters and given the mixing of the fresh and
saline waters, the Black Sea would have quickly become salty enough to
support these marine algae. It would appear to this writer that there is a
bit of an inconsistency in the explanation. Cardium edule is able to
immigrate but a tiny floating algae isn't. That doesn't make sense.

Given the late entry of Emiliania huxleyi into the Black Sea and the
gradual change of salinity seen by the fauna found in the cores it would
appear that the change from fresh to sea water in the Black Sea was not
catastrophic but gradual .

glenn

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