religious talk or materialistic talk?
Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:17:54 -0400

Jonathan Clarke said:

gifted creation that exhibits a robust formational economy is still
completely dependent on God as it's sustainer. It is an important part
of the Biblical picture of creation that the world is dependent and
contingent, and not an autonomous entity. This has been the historical
contrast between Biblical theism and deism


What many apologists want is a 'sign': physical evidence of the existence
of God. Even if it is something very subtle, such as quantum uncertainty,
or even if it is the absence of something, such as in the 'God of the gaps'.

They feel that, lacking such physical evidence, all we have left is a God
who is nothing more than words; nothing but religious talk. Something
tantamount to deism, where God may have intervened in the distant past,
but no longer is involved in the world.

On the other hand, by positing physical evidence for God, such as complex
creatures or mysterious gaps in physics, is God thereby exalted? We
then spend our time defending these gaps, or insisting on this irreducible
complexity -- nothing but materialistic talk.

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