From: Howard J. Van Till <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: ASA Listserve <email@example.com>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Design as Concept, Sign, and Production
Walter Bradley asked:
>If I understand your comments in this post, you are saying that matter
>has creaturely properties which are not fully determined by the laws of
>nature and the universal constants. If this is so, is there any way to
>be able to identify the existence of such properties scientifically or are
>we to just base our belief on such properties on metaphysics?
Bob DeHaan comments:
>I think it is a legitimate question. Is your position only metaphysical,
>can you derive scientific hypotheses and observations from it. How does
>verify or demonstarte that creation is fully gifted? Directly?
I have said this repeatedly, but let me try one more time.
My inclination to favor the idea of a "fully-gifted Creation," that is, a
Creation that has been gifted with robust formational and operational
economies (economies that *need* not, for instance, be supplemented by
occasional, form-imposing, divine interventions of the sort envisioned by
form of episodic creationism) comes from two sources:
1) Theological considerations: I hold God to be the Creator who gave being
the entire universe. The Creation's being includes all of its capabilities,
including all capabilities that contribute to its formational economy. I
the richness of that formational economy to be a "sign" of God's creativity
(in conceptualizing it) and God's generosity (it giving it such wealth of
being). Therefore I have high expectations of the giftedness of the
2. Scientific considerations: Although the sciences have only just begun, in
the past century or so, to become familiar with the wealth of Creation's
capabilities, including those that contribute to its formational economy, I
expect that far more is to be learned in the future. I could, of course, be
wrong, but I fully expect that the credibillity of the "robust formational
economy principle" will increase considerably with time.
All of these considerations can be found in the publications that I have
recently called to the attention of the members of this list. Please refer
further questions to those publications.
Howard Van Till=