Re: Neandertal question

Glenn R. Morton (
Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:23:37 -0600

At 04:19 PM 11/1/98 -0700, John W Burgeson wrote:
>I recent YEC publication cite a John W. Cuozzo
>as investigating the effects of aging on skeletal
>structure. On the basis of his
>work he concluded that neandertal man was
>simply "old," not otherwise different from modern man.
>"The model clearly showed that a normal "modern" human
>would look like Neanderthal when he got to about
>400 years old!"
>Interesting conjecture. But I had thought I had read that
>juvenile Neandertal remains had also been found? Am I
>right? Or is his conjecture a possible one?

Absolutely impossible and Cuozzo shows that he really hasn't studied
neanderthals. the differences between neanderthals and us are found even
in infants. here are the differences.

differences between Neandertal and modern man
"In light of this, it is important to reiterate the number of
morphological contrasts between these two groups. Clear contrasts include
(among others) neurocranial vault shape (in norma occipitalis and norma
lateralis, when comparisons are limited to minimally distorded specimens),
occipito-mastoid morphology (particularly the juxta-mastoid region and the
mid-transveres occipital torus), temporal morphology (including the spatial
relationship of the external audiotry meatus and the zygomatic root), the
shape of the supraorbital torus, anterior to posterior dental proportions
(but not absolute dental size), dental occlusal morphology (especially
maxillary incisor shoveling and molar occlusal sulcal complexity), cervical
vertebral spinous process size (but not orientation), relative clavicular
length, relative scapular breadth, brachial indices, carpal and metacarpal
musculoligamentous attachment area development, thumb phalangeal length
proportions, distal apical tuft breadth, superior pubic ramus
cross-sectional morphology and relative length, crural indices, femoral
midshaft diaphyseal cross-sectional morphology, and limb to body core
length proportions. In addition, there are marked contrasts in the
distributions of a few features despite overlaps in their ranges of
variation: scapular axillary border morphology, radial diaphyseal
curvature, femoral neck angle, and overall appendicular robusticity." ~
Erik Trinkaus, "Comments: The Excavations in Kebara Cave, Mt. Carmel,"
Current Anthropology 33:5(1992): 497-550, p. 541

They have a bulge on the mastoid bone, even in infancy.

"The mastoid process of the temporal bone, which protrudes like a knob
beneath the ear opening, approaches modern huan size and is larger than the
mastoid process in the Neandertals at La Chapell-aux-Saints and Gibraltar.
In rear view, the cranium is perfectly round, like a bowling ball--a
typical Neandertal trait--but the occipital bone combines a Neandertal-like
torus, or bar, of bone across its width with a sharply curved overall shape
that resemables a modern human cranium." ~ Donald Johanson and Blake Edgar,

This doesn't mean that Neanderthals weren't in the image of God any more
than the differences between whites and blacks in skeletal form proves one
is or isn't superior. They are just differences, insignificant differences.

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