1. I guess I don't understand your use of the Nicene creed as if it were a
sacred statement (not that i disagree with its import).
2. That was merely a substitution of one word for another that has
equivalent content (i.e. the Creator is perforce a Designer, whereas a
creator may or may not be and a designer may or may not be a creator).
3. It was not a subterfuge on my part to obviate the role of the Creator as
set forth in the Nicene Creed at all, and in fact I didn't even have the
Creed in mind when i was typing that word, so please feel free to
substitute Creator imn my statement in the original post since it doesnt
change my intent at all. Thanks for setting the record straight.