Re: [Fwd: Age of universe]

Glenn Morton (
Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:01:36 -0600

I don't have time to address each of these but I will address some of them.

At 10:42 AM 11/19/97 -0800, Adrian Teo asked about the young age arguments:

>1. Galaxies wind themselves up too fast.

Several years ago I wrote a galaxy collision program in which I am able to
mimic collisions. When I run the program with only 1 galaxy having several
hundred stars I was surprised to find that spiral arms would develop and go
away only to develop again. Whether more sophisticated modeling than mine
would uphold this view I don't know, but it seems to me that this might be
the reason we see spirals.

>2. Comets disintegrate too quickly.

This one is easily dismissable. On average there are 6 new comets
discovered each year, comets which had never been seen before. (Baker and
Lawrence, An Introduction to Astronomy 1968, p. 159) This implies a
reservoir of comets out there which is sufficient to replace the short
period comets. Secondly, the reservoir has been DIRECTLY observed. Cometary
sized bodies have been found outside of Pluto's orbit.

"The power of the repaired Hubble Space Telescope has been
turned to the search for Kuiper belt objects. Search fields were
taken by Anita Cochran and colleagues and are now undergoing
analysis. Their preliminary results suggest that they have
detected 50 to 60 objects down to diameters of 10 to 20 km, in
the first field that has been examined. More detailed analyses
of their images are eagerly awaited."~Paul Weissman, "Bodies on
the Brink", Nature, April 27, 1995, p. 763

"Cochran et al. reported exciting evidence, near the limit of HST's
capabilities, for numerous objects with V-band magnitudes of ~28.6,
corresponding to comet-like diameters of a few kilometres to ~10
km. This evidence corresponds to a population of several hundred
million comets-sized objects. If this result is coupled with
models that predict the ratio of the population detected in the
region searched by Cochran to the entire trans-neptunian zone, a
total population is calculated of several billion comets in the 30-
50 AU region. As such, it appears that the Kuiper belt is indeed
the source region of most JFC, as dynamical simulations
predict."~Alan Stern and Humberto Campins,"Chiron and the Centaurs:
escapees from the Kuiper Belt." Nature 382, August 8, 1996, p. 507-
510, p. 507

> Evolutionists explain this discrepancy by assuming that (a) comets
>come from an unobserved spherical 'Oort cloud' well beyond the orbit of

If this guy would read either Nature magazine or Scientific American he
would know that it has been observed.

>4. Not enough sodium in the sea.

Steve Austin and I have had a discussion about this over the past couple of
years via snail mail. I will address this in a separate post

>5. Earth's magnetic field is decaying too fast.

This assumes an exponential decay of the magnetic field rather than a
cyclical oscillation of the field. It is like assuming that the stock
market can only go up. Why in 50 years, at the rate it has gone up over the
past 10 years, anyone who invested in the market will not have to work--they
will be fabulously wealthy. But of course the market will go down and
similarly, the magnetic field will reverse as it has many times in the past.

9. Too little Helium in the atmosphere

There are lightning bolts of very high temperature that have been observed
shooting UP from thunderstorms to over 80 miles high. The temperatures in
these sprites should provide sufficient thermal energy for helium to escape
from the earth's gravitational field.


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