Re: Fall of evolved man

Moorad Alexanian (alexanian@UNCWIL.EDU)
Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:25:41 -0500 (EST)

At 08:31 AM 11/10/97 -0600, Glenn Morton wrote:
>Hi Moorad,
>At 01:51 PM 11/10/97, Moorad Alexanian wrote:
>> However,
>>I have my doubts on people who claim that they can find out what happened
>>from the beginning by studying what surrounds them now. The notion of
>>proving something, in the sense of mathematical rigor, is not that simple.
>Proving things with mathematical rigor only applies to math and physics.
>Biology, geology are far too complex be proven with that type of rigor. The
>type of proof changes in historical sciences. it is the type of proof used
>in a courtroom. We don't let every defendent go because we can't prove with
>mathematical rigor that they were guilty. Similarly we can't avoid
>conclusions about history because we can't prove it mathematically. How do
>I prove you had breakfast this morning?

That is the difficulty of dealing with unique historical events. You know
that such studies cannot be classified as experimental science. That is why
cosmology and evolution are so different from physics.

>>>Once again, I challenge you to show me how the supernova SN1987a can be
>>>re-interpreted based upon a different deductive model and not have it
>>>violate observational data. I don't think you can do this.
>>I have accepted what you said about the supernova. But again I will not bet
>>my life on your findings.
>No body is asking you to bet you life on it. It has nothing to do with
>>If I take the reductionist approach that physics underlies all the sciences,
>>then the subject matter of science and theology are totally distinct.
>>Genuine science deals with matter/energy, mind and body, and genuine
>>theology deals with the spiritual. Of course, in the resurrection of Christ,
>>a unique historical event thus outside the subject matter of science, some
>>of these issues may be interwoven.
>I would suggest that the creation and the flood and the exodus all dealt
>with the material world. These are not entirely outside the realm of science.

Yet they are unique events which science, in the sense of physics, cannot