Re: Fall of evolved man

Glenn Morton (
Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:57:38 -0600

At 07:20 AM 11/4/97 -0800, Arthur V. Chadwick wrote:
>What would you have God say, that He has not already said to convince you
>that the flood was universal, given that the record was written by Moses
>3000 years ago? If you are going to take this position, Glenn, you should
>at least acknowledge that you are doing so in the face of the most open
>reading of the account. While one can develop constructs of logic to allow
>most anything with the account, in its pure and unstrained reading, it says
>the flood was universal.

That "open" reading entirely depends upon the connotation of the hebrew word
"eretz". God told Abram in Ur to get out of his "eretz" Genesis 12:1 says,
"The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your eretz, your people and your
father's houshold and go to the 'eretz' I will show you." Since you contend
that the most "open"reading of Genesis 6-9 is that "eretz" means "planet
earth" rather than country or land, I presume that you must believe that
God told Abe to take a trip into outerspace to a planet He would show
Abraham. Obviously, Abe didn't obey, so why is he regarded as the epitomy
of faith throughout Scripture? Abram didn't do what God clearly told him to
do, Get off the Planet Earth and go to another planet.

If I acknowledge that the correct reading of "eretz" in Genesis 6-9 is
"planet earth" and thus the flood was universal, then will you acknowledge
that Abraham disobeyed God in the most "open" reading of the Genesis 12:1

How about Genesis 15:13, "Your descendants will be strangers in a 'eretz'
not their own." Did this mean that the prophecy didn't really apply to the
Egyptians but to the Martians? Once again this is the most "open" reading
according to your view.

Art, these verses use the same Hebrew word.


Foundation, Fall and Flood