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Joseph Carson (73530.2350@compuserve.com)
24 Jul 96 17:29:39 EDT

> From Ruth:
> >>>
> "Controversial" is probably key here--our pastor, for instance, could
> probably give very good sermons relating the issues you mention to
> our role as salt, but he's not likely to...
> <<<
>
> Joe:
> But the pastor could advocate the "meta"-issue of Christians being involved
> with their vocations and integrating the Christian metaphysic into them,
> both in their workplace and in their larger professions without much
> contentious. The place of professional societies in doing that is a topic
> that I have yet to see mentioned in Christian press, pulpit, Sunday School
> class, etc - why I hardly ever see it here in ASA! (that's another joke,
> folks.)
>
Ruth: Suspect most "lay" people don't know what prof societies are,
how they function or what they are for. For that matter most of us
"prof" people treat them as sources of journal articles and not much
else. My involvement with IEEE is greater than that of most of my
colleagues because I serve on committees; that's unusual.

Anyway, yes, pastor can and should actively advocate being salt and
light at work. Perhaps he doesn't b/c he doesn't know what we do at
work? Here's a place for 5-minute presentation by one of "us", maybe
monthly, to get people thinking? We have series on stewardship,
series on missionaries--ought to fit! I think I'll suggest it.

> from Ruth:
> >>>
> this." And since I _do_ see value in the journal, and the
> fellowship, I'm at a loss to know what to do to convince others.
> <<<
>
> Joe:
>
> Touche (or OUCH! again). I think if you were to ask if they were satisfied
> in the way their Christian faith is integrated into their individual
> workplace or their larger profession and that ASA has people (smart people!)
> who ask themselves those questions and try to live out answers, there would
> be more thoughtful answers (at least your question would linger longer, I
> think.)
>
Quite possibly.

> From Ruth:
> >>>
> Oh, yes, endorsement could help--but from whom? Chuck Colson got
> dragged thru the mud, Templeton is considered too liberal by many,
> Bill Bright is too conservative for _me_, Mark Noll is an
> unknown--who can you name that is not too conservative and is
> well-known enough?
> <<<
>
> Joe:
>
> What happened to Colson? My thought is to approach everyone who spoke at a
> 1996 PK event and ask for an endorsement of ASA as being an organization
> that encourages its members to be "salt and light" by integrating the
> Christian faith into their vocations - both in their individual workplaces
> and in their larger professions - who could say "no" to that?
>
Ruth:
Ah, the mysterious PK--get that name on it and it _must_ be approved!
(Sorry, some of us females just can't handle males getting organized.
:-) Go ahead--can't hurt!

> From Ruth:
> >>>
> But it ain't gonna be easy! :-)
> <<<
>
> Joe:
> I think we're all closer than we think - you gotta believe!
>
Keep pestering me and I may try it again. :-)

Ruth

Ruth Douglas Miller, Assistant Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
Manhattan, KS 66506-5105. Ph 913-532-4596. Fx 913-532-1188.
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