Joseph Carson (
24 Jul 96 08:18:45 EDT

>From Joe
Then there the issue of power (not to mention
money). Who would lead such an influential organization and would it be
possibly threatening to established ministries?

Dennis' reply:
Consider promise keepers. It came from virtually nowhere and exploded onto
the Christian scene. The reason it took off was because it met a deep need,
one that was explicity or implicity recognized by pastors, evangelists,
authors, etc., namely, "what does it mean to be a Christian man in

Joe response:

PK is a an example I would claim as supporting my contention - reason PK is
successful is found, in part, in Promise 5 (I didn't go to PK Ambassador
Training for nothing! (G))

Promise 5: A Promise Keeper is committed to support the mission of his
church by honoring and praying for his pastor and by actively giving his
time and resources.

Dennis, PK bends over backwards, sidewards and turns
inside out to show that it will add
to local church ministry and continually advocate PK'ers to provide
additional sustenance to their local pastors. I really can't see ASA doing
likewise in this, but it's good food for thought.

>From Dennis
What need can we meet that would propel us to a 50,000 membership?

I think ASA should look at its mission as being on of assisting its members
to better integrate their Christian faith into their vocations - to be "salt
and light" in their workplaces and professions, collectively and

I just reviewed the ASA Statement of Mission found in the membership
directory and "Why must there be an ASA?" that is found in each issue of
PSCF. While what I wrote above is not explicitly stated, it's certainly a
presumption (or more)

(Mission I Goal II states: To stimulate each other to
integrate our faith with our science discipline and to benefit from the
pilgrimage of others; Mission III is "To share our faith with fellow
scientists, Goal II of Mission III is "To encourage our fellow scientists to
consider the integration of science and faith."

>From Dennis
Can we formulate it as a simple and comprehendable question? (i.e., what
does it mean to be a Christian xyz abc uvw?).

Well, I'm stumped. I can't get it shorter than a paragraph, or do it
without relying on arcane lingo.

"What does it mean to be a Christian scientist?" -- bad on 2 counts.
First, there is the Christian Scientists. Second, few folks are

"What does it mean to be a Christian in a technological world?" -- better,
but not griping.



Again, I think the mission is primarily to help ASA'ers live more faithful
lives by integrating our Christian metaphysic with our vocations.

Dennis, I think from this point on, your response goes into a different
direction - more of what ASA can collectively give to society (Christian and
secular) - I don't
think that really adds value to the person considering joining ASA.

I do think that an ASA that advocated and collectively and systematically
assisted ASA'ers in integrating our faith with our respective vocations
would naturally also dialogue with other Christians and secularists, Dennis,
but the reason for the dialogue would be somewhat different (at least on the
part of the ASA'ers.)

Thanks for responding.




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