Re: Genesis Flood

Dick Fischer (
Wed, 08 May 1996 22:47:22 -0500

At 08:51 PM 5/5/96, Glenn wrote:

>I agree that 950 years is extra innings but that did not happen in 3000
>B.C. But pre-industrial agricultural societies like Sumer had life
>expectancies of 27-35 years. In 1800 in western Europe the life expectancy
>was 35 years (see Carl P. Swanson, The Natural History of Man, p. 349) and
>in India this century the life expectancy was 27 years. Barnouw writes:

In my book Adam was created by God and lived 930 years. All his kin
lived nice, ripe, old ages. We aren't talking about Sumerians who were
racially distinct and spoke an unrelated language and died before 50.

>>5.5 million years worth of story telling is mind boggling. The Japanese
>>speak a language totally different from Chinese. It should not surprise
>>you to learn that they are related. The islands of Japan show not a
>>hint of population prior to even 50,000 years ago. One could reasonably
>>deduce that the advent of language occurred after the separation of the
>>Japanese from the Chinese people and at least 50,000 years ago. You
>> wish to stretch that by a factor of over 100! Incredible!
>Two things are wrong with the above paragraph. First, the orientals were
>not the first inhabitants of Japan. Caucasians were. These are the Ainu.

I was aware of the Ainu. I don't think anyone knows when they arrived.
Their presence on the islands of Japan doesn't change the point. The
mongoloid Japanese populated the islands and in isolation developed their
own language. It suggests they were not already speaking a language at
the time they settled the islands.

Glenn wrote:
>>>Secondly, in order to get within 200 miles of Qardu by floating on water
>>>the water must cover up to the 1000 foot elevation contour. Once again
>>>you cover the Mesopotamian valley to this depth in water, you will
>>>cover large parts of the world.
>Dick replied:
>>The flood of '93 covered parts of Missouri, Iowa, and Illinois, and the
>>water stayed for about 3 months as I remember. Yet the entire state of
>>Florida is under 130 feet in elevation, much lower than the elevation
>>of any of the midwest states. Why wasn't Florida underwater? For the
>>same reason a flood in Southern Mesopotamia won't impact Dallas, TX
>>(one of your examples).
Glenn countered:
>There is a major difference. Nothing floating on the Mississippi River
>floated north during that time. This is what you say the ark did. There is
>not enough of an energy source to move the ark north against a 5 mph
>current! (See my post Physics of a Mesopotamian Flood) If you wanted to
>float an object north, especially an object that large, you can't push it
>up hill. If the water lifts it to the required elevation, then it can
>easily go there. But that would require Florida to be covered. Floating
>objects do not float against the current! Please cite one reference to an
>object in the 1993 Mississippi flooding which floated north or upstream!

Had you and I been sitting in a boat in a flooded field in Iowa we
could have gone in any direction. The water sat there for months
just like a lake. It didn't flow south until the Mississippi had
drained away enough water. That is possibly what happened in
Southern Mesopotamia.

>My car recently died and I had to push it by hand off the road.

Why didn't you call me and I would have helped you.

>Wait a minute, you are the one who suggested the landing site Qardu. You
>>If you would like a candidate landing site I would pick either Mount
>>Qardu in the Gordyean Hills (later called Jabel Judi) or Mount Nissir
>>named in the Gilgamesh epic. (Bailey says this is likely the modern
>>Omar Gudrun/Pira Magrun.)
>That is one single mountain. I was critiquing your suggestion not quoting
>the Bible.

The point is that various landing sites have been mentioned. I have not
come up with any others. The Bible says "hills" in Hebrew, "mountains"
doesn't seem reasonable, I'll stick with what the Bible says.

Your friend,

Dick Fischer
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