RE: Ramm's flood

Dick Fischer (
Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:54:59 -0500

>Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:30:35 -0500
>To: (Glenn Morton)
>From: Dick Fischer <>
>Subject: RE: Ramm's flood
>At 07:43 PM 4/13/96, you wrote:
>Are you ruling out revelation to
>>Moses? That certainly seems to be a possibility.
>Glenn, it would appear that Moses had source documents from the similarity
>between the Genesis account and the epic tales that originated in the region
>of Southern Mesopotamia. If it was revelation to Moses then it must have
>been revelation to the Sumerians, Accadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians, all
>of whom wrote parallel accounts.
>>What would the Milankovitch theory be
>>without predictions? It has always appeared to me that
>>Christians always seem to run from any predictions. This
>>is why Ramm says of his view of the flood,
>> "...we would not expect to find any specific evidence of
>>it..." Ramm, The Christian View of Science and
>> Scripture, p. 163.
>>In this way he is protected from any contradictory
>>observations; he will always be right.
>Ramm was right in a way. If one wishes to posit a mankind obliterating
>flood at the dawn of the hominids then, that's right, there is no historical
>or scientific corroboration. There is no biblical support either.
>The Genesis flood, the one recorded in the Bible, refers almost beyond all
>doubt to a Mesopotamian flood at around 2900 BC. Read Davis Young's _The
Biblical Flood_. The time, place, and extent are pretty secure. We have the
>flood layers found in the cities of Shuruppak, Kish, Lagash, Erech and
>probably Ur that center around the same time frame. All the cities named in
>Genesis 1-11 are in that same region. The post-flood rulers at Kish begin
>the early dynastic period dated in history at (not surprisingly) 2900 BC. If
>the Septuagint version of the Bible is used for the ages of the patriarchs
>(the Greek text was the one quoted by NT authors), a biblical date for the
>flood is either 3128 BC or 2978 BC depending on whether the Exodus was 1290
BC or 1440 BC.
>And, although it seems to escape attention, the Genesis flood had survivors.
>The "Nephilim" (giants in some translations) were on the earth in the pre-
>flood period (Gen. 6:4). And in Numbers 13:33, the sons of Anak are
>descendants. Either the Nephilim or their progeny survived the flood. And,
>of course, flood survivors can be found in all regions of the world. The
>native Americans, for only one example, crossed the Bering strait between
>40,000 and 12,000 years ago when there was a land bridge.
>So Bible, science, and history are all quite happy with a flood that erased
>all Adamite populations except for Noah and three sons (their wives may or
>may not have been of Adamite extraction), who rode out the flood in their
>boat. Now if people would just stop rocking it.
>Dick Fischer
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